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No, it tilts me how parents are always telling their kids to share. I hate when a kid is playing with a toy and another kid comes and takes it then the kid gets upset and the parent is just like "it's ok we have to share".

09-17-2015 , 07:02 PM

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DudeImBetter

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Originally Posted by StevenPoke

While clearly the prevailing opinion by the vast majority in this thread is that spanking your children is an almost abhorrent act, I am personally of the opinion that spanking your children is a very useful tool when used sparingly and properly.

I personally was spanked maybe 3 times that I can remember and those were things that I never again repeated. Personally for me, the fear of possibly getting my "ass tanned," was a far greater deterrent than getting a stern talking too or grounded.

That is my opinion and one shared by the majority of my friends growing up. At least in the fear of getting our ass whooped.

Now I currently do not have any children, that I know of anyway lol, and maybe my opinion will change when I have them, but I do not think badly of parents who do spank their children, as long as they aren't beating them.

Dude, how weird is it that basically everyone who shares your stance relies almost exclusively on personal anecdotes as "compelling" evidence upon which to form hard / positive opinions on the efficacy of beating children, while those who are opposed to it rely on science?

WEIRD.

09-17-2015 , 07:15 PM

#153

wil318466

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

There's actually nothing weird about it. That's how most people relate to the world.

09-17-2015 , 07:39 PM

#154

SmokeyQ123

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Lol you were so keen to drop that super deep insight into humanity that you missed dib not finding it weird at all

09-17-2015 , 07:41 PM

#155

wil318466

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Oh. lol, you're right.

My bad.

09-17-2015 , 07:53 PM

#156

Captain Oi!

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Originally Posted by wil318466

I know the world is so PC and zero-tolerance about everything, but is the motorboat incident just stupid kid stuff, or is something wrong with me?

A few years ago my friend's nephew was "diagnosed" with attention deficit syndrome. Personally, I'm supremely skeptical about that diagnosis and voiced my opinion, saying something like "20 years ago he'd have been labeled as hyperactive and recommended to be fed less sugar. I don't know how I feel about the kid being medicated." Some people agreed, some didn't. A few years later he calmed down, without medication, and wound up being fine.

I feel that way with this kid being expelled. Anyone else feel that way?

Expulsion is overly punitive. There's no lesson learned.

Quote:

Originally Posted by StevenPoke

While clearly the prevailing opinion by the vast majority in this thread is that spanking your children is an almost abhorrent act, I am personally of the opinion that spanking your children is a very useful tool when used sparingly and properly.

I personally was spanked maybe 3 times that I can remember and those were things that I never again repeated. Personally for me, the fear of possibly getting my "ass tanned," was a far greater deterrent than getting a stern talking too or grounded.

That is my opinion and one shared by the majority of my friends growing up. At least in the fear of getting our ass whooped.

Now I currently do not have any children, that I know of anyway lol, and maybe my opinion will change when I have them, but I do not think badly of parents who do spank their children, as long as they aren't beating them.

Fear of consequence by authority and learning right from wrong are mutually exclusive.

09-17-2015 , 09:06 PM

#157

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Captain Oi!

Expulsion is overly punitive. There's no lesson learned.

It's not always about teaching a lesson and I doubt it was here.

There's a limit on what a teacher has to put up with.

09-17-2015 , 09:37 PM

#158

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

It's not always about teaching a lesson and I doubt it was here.

There's a limit on what a teacher has to put up with.

Who said she has to just "put up with it"?

And if it isn't about teaching a lesson and he wasn't an imminent threat and can be taught, what's the point? Simply to make a point? That's stupid and dangerous.

09-18-2015 , 03:50 PM

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Have you spent time with many 14 year olds? =/= 9 year olds.

If you're 14 and deliberately sexually assaulting your teachers you need to be prepared to be kicked out of public school (at the least).

09-18-2015 , 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Have you spent time with many 14 year olds? =/= 9 year olds.

If you're 14 and deliberately sexually assaulting your teachers you need to be prepared to be kicked out of public school (at the least).

Kid wasn't 14, though. A 6th grader is 11 or 12. Maybe hasn't even nutted yet.

09-18-2015 , 04:18 PM

#161

chezlaw

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Originally Posted by Captain Oi!

Kid wasn't 14, though. A 6th grader is 11 or 12. Maybe hasn't even nutted yet.

I read he was 14. (Haven't bothered to check if that's accurate or not)

09-18-2015 , 04:26 PM

#162

sweep single

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Originally Posted by Captain Oi!

Kid wasn't 14, though. A 6th grader is 11 or 12. Maybe hasn't even nutted yet.

Yea he was a 14 year old. Held back a couple times.

09-18-2015 , 04:26 PM

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Oh wow. Damn. That's some context.

Clearly not simply a zero tolerance case. He's obviously got a mountain of strikes. And at 14, expulsion makes more sense than an 11 or 12 year old.

09-18-2015 , 04:33 PM

#164

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Maybe I don't remember what 14 was like, but I'm leaning towards it not being thought of as "sexual assault".

09-18-2015 , 04:56 PM

#165

Captain Oi!

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14 year old me was obsessed with boobs and it was serious business.

09-18-2015 , 06:49 PM

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I don't really know how the whole US system of holding kids back a year works, but I'd guess when you're two years behind then you have a host of mental/behavioural problems or a lot of people have failed you, or both.

Expulsion is sometimes necessary when a kid is a huge problem to others but it unfortunately doesn't usually address everything that went wrong to lead up to this.

09-19-2015 , 12:34 AM

#167

AlexM

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Originally Posted by sweep single

A kid at my son's school got expelled for asking the teacher to look at his paper. When she leaned over he motorboated her. 6th grade! Wouldn't it be better for the kid to have just been spanked?

No, and he's lucky he didn't end up in juvie for sexual assault.

09-19-2015 , 12:42 AM

#168

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Oh, I'm not saying it's "normal". I'm saying I don't view it as "scary". I'd be much more concerned if he was caught torturing an animal.

Yes, it's reasonable to be more concerned about someone looking like a potential serial killer than a potential rapist, but there's plenty of room to care about both.

09-19-2015 , 12:43 AM

#169

AlexM

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Originally Posted by Shifty86

You seem to not know what sharing is.

09-19-2015 , 03:58 AM

#170

wil318466

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Originally Posted by AlexM

Yes, it's reasonable to be more concerned about someone looking like a potential serial killer than a potential rapist, but there's plenty of room to care about both.

Age means something. If a 39 year old grabs a boob, it's a lot different than if a 14 year old does.

The problem is we can't tell when a 14 year old is a problem or not.

09-19-2015 , 08:00 AM

#171

Shifty86

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Originally Posted by AlexM

You seem to not know what sharing is.

Please, enlighten me.

09-19-2015 , 10:09 AM

#172

LetsGambool

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In AC land the adult bludgeons the offending child

lol AC land

09-19-2015 , 06:42 PM

#173

Bladesman87

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Sharing is commie talk.

09-19-2015 , 07:46 PM

#174

Shifty86

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Yup, I always just take people's things and am like, sharing is caring bro.

09-19-2015 , 07:49 PM

#175

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I discovered one of the Care Bears is an elephant. Just had to share.

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