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09-15-2015 , 02:12 PM

#101

LetsGambool

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Wasnt allowed in school when I was there, although I had a teacher catch me running a gambling pool and twist my ear until I admitted it. Told me to cut the **** and stop doing that in his class. No way that was allowed, but sure as **** wasn't going to say anything about it.

09-15-2015 , 02:36 PM

#102

AlexM

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Sounds like that teacher did you a favor really.

09-15-2015 , 02:51 PM

#103

LetsGambool

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Not really, but sort of felt that way at the time.

09-15-2015 , 04:19 PM

#104

AlexM

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You think getting expelled would have been better for you?

09-15-2015 , 04:22 PM

#105

LetsGambool

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lol expelled. lol at physical violence being acceptable or a favor.

09-15-2015 , 04:35 PM

#106

AlexM

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I didn't say it was acceptable. And I didn't really mean he was intentionally doing you a favor so much as that him selfishly not wanting to deal with you in an official manner worked out in your favor.

As for expelled... IDK, I assume engaging in crime gets children expelled, but I could be wrong.

09-15-2015 , 04:37 PM

#107

LetsGambool

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Yeah, they werent throwing me out of public school for betting like $5 on football with other kids.

09-16-2015 , 08:23 AM

#108

Shifty86

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OP should watch this video with your wife. Pretty hard to make an argument for spanking after watching it.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sf7uq9NUOnY

I know lol youtubz.

09-16-2015 , 08:28 AM

#109

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Originally Posted by Shifty86

Keep it internal or discuss it with my wife. It is hard to voice your opinion to other people about parenting, people and very defensive.

I have a close family memeber that has 2 children 5,7. They've spent 40+ hrs a week in daycare since they were 1 and are animals, they do nothing there parents to tell them. I feel like asking them why they think it's that way and having the discussion but it's hard to bring up.

Them being in daycare is not necessarily a problem. It's a common misconception that kids are always better off being cared for by a parent at home than in a center based setting. As a rule it's quite the contrary. After a certain age (toddlerish) kids benefit greatly from socialization in centers with peers, nevermind the benefit of getting instruction and interaction from other adults outside of friends/family.

09-16-2015 , 10:28 AM

#110

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Even better than daycare is curriculum-based pre-k, which is slowly becoming widely available.

09-16-2015 , 10:36 AM

#111

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Them being in daycare is not necessarily a problem. It's a common misconception that kids are always better off being cared for by a parent at home than in a center based setting. As a rule it's quite the contrary. After a certain age (toddlerish) kids benefit greatly from socialization in centers with peers, nevermind the benefit of getting instruction and interaction from other adults outside of friends/family.

Do you have anything to back these claims up with? I disagree with pretty much all that and my wife does as well. She has a degree in child psychology and has worked in daycares and taught kindergarten.

09-16-2015 , 10:44 AM

#112

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Even better than daycare is curriculum-based pre-k, which is slowly becoming widely available.

Meh. Sounds good in a way, but in the common core-teaching to tests-drowning kids with homework- no creativity or independence-not actually getting positive results way it sounds bad.

09-16-2015 , 10:50 AM

#113

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Originally Posted by Shifty86

I do, but not on my phone. Interestingly my wife also is a psych.

09-16-2015 , 10:59 AM

#114

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Meh. Sounds good in a way, but in the common core-teaching to tests-drowning kids with homework- no creativity or independence-not actually getting positive results way it sounds bad.

That's not what happened at my kid's CC-based pre-k class. Never had Pre-K homework, rarely had kindergarten homework, and in first grade this year, homework that isn't reading books happens less than once a week.

In fact, his pre-k class was pretty much all about creativity, independence and social skills, while learning letters and numbers of course.

09-16-2015 , 11:05 AM

#115

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lol pre-k homework. I dunno what you've heard but that's not whats going on.

09-16-2015 , 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

I'm sure it could be cool. Depends on the curriculum. I would be concerned about general pre-k curriculums and standards though. In theory maybe there's not a problem, but you start needing to prove curriculums are good and being implemented well and testing kids and rewarding places with better scores and next thing you know all those problems are starting earlier.

09-16-2015 , 11:07 AM

#117

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Originally Posted by Shifty86

"As a rule it's quite the contrary" was incorrect on my part. What I recall is that there's no real support for parent at home being preferable to center based care, at least in terms of child development. Also I recall there being moderating factors of center based care that make it preferable to parent-at-home, but again I'll have to dig the studies up.

09-16-2015 , 11:15 AM

#118

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Originally Posted by microbet

This goes back to the fact we have learned a lot about child development in a short amount of time. The kind of Pre-k I am talking about uses a curriculum- based in our better and more up to date knowledge of child development. I checked it out very thoroughly a few years back and also spent a good amount of time on his classroom. It is true you need well-qualified and dedicated educators to make it work.

09-16-2015 , 11:40 AM

#119

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One other thing, although his mom is a psychologist, my kid's autism condition would not have been as well-identified if he did not have access to pre-k. It's likely a daycare would have just kicked him out for being disruptive. We got a full year head-start in treatment and intervention.

I also have to credit his principal. People like her are why I believe in angels.

09-16-2015 , 11:49 AM

#120

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Spank, is your kid getting ABA?

09-16-2015 , 12:09 PM

#121

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Spank, is your kid getting ABA?

Yes, and we are seeing good results.

09-16-2015 , 01:44 PM

#122

formula72

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Did you suspect autism before pre-K? If so, what age start to become aware of it?

09-16-2015 , 02:59 PM

#123

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Originally Posted by microbet

Meh. Sounds good in a way, but in the common core-teaching to tests-drowning kids with homework- no creativity or independence-not actually getting positive results way it sounds bad.

I'm absolutely shocked at how much homework my 3rd grader gets. 1 to 2 hours every night. Seems kind of ridiculous to me, but I'm a lazy liberal with short bootstraps.

09-16-2015 , 04:24 PM

#124

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Originally Posted by Jbrochu

I'm absolutely shocked at how much homework my 3rd grader gets. 1 to 2 hours every night. Seems kind of ridiculous to me, but I'm a lazy liberal with short bootstraps.

I've cut back on adding any pressure to my kids. My HS Junior would have absolutely no time at all if she did everything fully and studied for all her tests. As it is, she's often up until midnight and waking up at 5am, almost entirely because of school or school activities.

09-16-2015 , 04:51 PM

#125

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Originally Posted by formula72

Did you suspect autism before pre-K? If so, what age start to become aware of it?

I did not have suspicions, but my wife had some. I just ( joking) assumed I spawned a teenaged toddler who liked to literally run in circles around his room.

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