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09-11-2015 , 09:56 AM

#51

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Were you schooled in N Korea? FFS teachers weren't touching kids in my grade school years and I'm 31.

09-11-2015 , 09:57 AM

#52

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Originally Posted by kerowo

And your schtick is getting as tiresome as Spank's was.

You're such a terrible critic.

09-11-2015 , 10:05 AM

#53

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Were you schooled in N Korea? FFS teachers weren't touching kids in my grade school years and I'm 31.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School...ral_punishment

It really hasn't been banned for that long. Pennsylvania banning it in 2005 made me laugh.

09-11-2015 , 10:05 AM

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During 4th year so 14-15, I had to attend the headmasters office each morning to see whether my hands had healed well enough from the last caning to receive the next. They had managed to cut my fingers on the inside of my hand at the first joint from the knuckle.

When I pointed out that caning me clearly wasn't ****ing helping my penalty increased from 6 to 18 to be delivered in 3x6.

Physically assaulting children is an awful way of having them learn anything.

09-11-2015 , 10:26 AM

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chezlaw

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49 and it was still going when I started at school though beginning to be frowned upon.

09-11-2015 , 10:37 AM

#56

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Originally Posted by wil318466

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School...ral_punishment

It really hasn't been banned for that long. Pennsylvania banning it in 2005 made me laugh.

Terrifying.

Am I to understand that Wiki as claiming around 20 states still allow for hitting kids in school?

If faculty decided to touch my kid in an effort to discipline him I'd go ****ing ballistic. It'd be national news, with DIB hulk raging.

09-11-2015 , 10:45 AM

#57

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Originally Posted by microbet

I'm in my late 40's and I don't think there was ever any corporal punishment at any school I went to while I was there.

Probably regional, I'm in the same generation as you and I was paddled at school once.

09-11-2015 , 10:45 AM

#58

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

You're such a terrible critic.

No you

09-11-2015 , 10:47 AM

#59

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Am I to understand that Wiki as claiming around 20 states still allow for hitting kids in school?

Yes. It's amazing, actually.

09-11-2015 , 10:49 AM

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The principal at my kid's school doesn't allow it. The picture of the graph may not be as disturbing as it suggests off-hand. I imagine schools still have liability to consider if they spanked a child who had parents which forbid it.

09-11-2015 , 10:50 AM

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kerowo

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Meh. Psychology doesn't have much of a track record for getting things right the first time.

09-11-2015 , 10:50 AM

#62

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

My understanding was they called a parent before doing anything.

09-11-2015 , 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Even with permission what they did to dereds and what used to be common place in many schools would probably count as assault.

09-11-2015 , 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

Don't beat your kids, don't beat other people's kids, don't beat your dogs, don't beat your wife, don't beat anybody. So very simple.

Quote:

Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

If faculty decided to touch my kid in an effort to discipline him I'd go ****ing ballistic. It'd be national news, with DIB hulk raging.

Your pacifism lasted just over an hour.

09-11-2015 , 10:59 AM

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Your pacifism lasted just over an hour.

I'm not Jesus, and I'm not advocating for cheek turning.

Don't hit kids, and if you do choose to hit my kid you're going to be displeased by my response.

09-11-2015 , 10:59 AM

#66

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Originally Posted by kerowo

Probably regional, I'm in the same generation as you and I was paddled at school once.

I moved around a lot in elementary school. It's possible there were paddlings at schools I went to but didn't hear about it.

09-11-2015 , 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Even with permission what they did to dereds and what used to be common place in many schools would probably count as assault.

In some places its still common place. In pretty advanced places, too. I'm pretty sure they still do it in South Korea. The parents say they don't approve of it but mostly turn a blind eye to it and I think they secretly support it.

09-11-2015 , 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

Even with permission what they did to dereds and what used to be common place in many schools would probably count as assault.

Without a doubt.

We have recently learned about a lot about child development in a relatively short amount of time. Educators are not being taught to spank. Kid's still have consequences and rewards. It is looking like the end of the world for spankers is coming near.

09-11-2015 , 11:11 AM

#69

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According to wikipedia school caning is legal in South Korea.

Corporal punishment at school is against the law in Japan and China, but supposedly still somewhat common.

09-11-2015 , 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Unfortantly that isn't the case. We've came along way, but a huge % of parents still think spanking is acceptable. I read somewhere that like 90% of mother in the UK have spanked there child under 3.

09-11-2015 , 01:33 PM

#71

formula72

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

I've never needed to hit my dogs so I don't see myself hitting a child as some part of general parenting.

I was hit once by one of my parents. I grabbed my sister's hair and wouldn't let go, so my mother gave me a firm tap on the backside and explained that if I didn't like being hurt I should understand why I shouldn't hurt others. I'm not sure how old I was, probably five or six. I don't have a problem with that kind of example, where immediately getting your child to do something is necessary and physical intervention was the only way (I hadn't let go when told, so someone needed to make me).

But pretty much if your main form of discipline is physical, or you use it to coerce your child into behaviour you like, I think it's lazy parenting.

There doesn't seem to any real upside to spanking from any point of view. Even the cases of serious potential harm can be solved with "stern" words than a smack on the keister. What is interesting, and somewhat noticable in this thread, is that even today parents as a whole seem to find spanking more justifiable than those without kids. Which means many of those spanks are an emotional reaction that is still accepted.

09-11-2015 , 01:43 PM

#72

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Originally Posted by formula72

I basically agree with your point, but logically it's one of those things where you basically make an assumption that makes your conclusion automatically correct.

Not necessarily true that all things can be handled with stern words, and perhaps parents are in a better position to judge that than non-parents.

Also, not all children are alike. For some kids a stern look will have them bawling, for others you will bash your own head against the wall trying to get through to them.

09-11-2015 , 02:14 PM

#73

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I'm in my late 40's and I don't think there was ever any corporal punishment at any school I went to while I was there.

I'm a little younger than you and kids got paddled in elementary, middle and high school. Public schools not Catholic.

09-11-2015 , 02:20 PM

#74

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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter

I'm not Jesus, and I'm not advocating for cheek turning.

Don't hit kids, and if you do choose to hit my kid you're going to be displeased by my response.

That's the difference between parents today and from years back. When I would get paddled at school I would never tell my parents because that would just compound my punishment. It would be grounding or another paddling. They would be angry at me for misbehaving, not angry at the principal.

09-11-2015 , 02:32 PM

#75

formula72

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Quote:

Originally Posted by microbet

I agree that certain kids can be a nightmare to handle and I believe many non-parents don't understand the reality of what that particular parent is going through trying to get through to their kid. I wouldn't argue with the my wife if she gave my son a slap on the rear-end if she exausted other options. However, I do believe that some of the pro-spankers jump from a to z to quickly without searching for alternative ways to tame their child.

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