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Originally Posted by master3004
No, I knew that. I wanted to know if he had anything other than that which had already been debunked.
I know I shouldn't break the fourth wall, but I couldn't help it.
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Originally Posted by augie_
amazing. the study is not valid because it's comparing trans population to the general population. would you prefer if they compared the trans population to a population of penguins?
the bullying explanation doesn't hold water and you know it. it's frustrating to encounter such an obvious lie. you damn well know bullying doesn't account for that kind of increase in suicide. gay people cite lots of bullying, their suicide rate is much lower than the trans suicide rate. that's because being gay is a preference, a quirk. being transgender is a confusion about your own identity, much more obviously a negative condition.
it's absolutely in dispute and it's not at all obvious that transitioning is helpful. the data shows that the suicide rate goes up when the trans person is noticed in public and goes down when the trans person is 'passable' and doesn't get noticed. should we tell certain trans people that they might make an ugly dude so they probably shouldn't transition?
another factor is if this becomes widely accepted as normal behavior, parents will start to give their children hormone treatment during adolescence if the child tells them they have gender confusion. children are extremely maliable and sexuality is very foreign and confusing during puberty. this will lead to children receiving hormones when they shouldn't and joining the 40% club instead of living a relatively normal life as gay or straight.
i'm not telling anyone to "get over it." someone very close to me has a serious mental illness. i'm well aware that people can't "get over it." they have to learn to live with it. SJW's and virtue signalers like to pretend they support people with mental health issues but i've experienced it first hand. when mental illness rears it's head, everyone except the family and VERY good friends quickly fade away.
but the transgender person also has a million virtue signalers online telling that person they're totally normal and they should absolutely cut their dick off when the real data shows that it's not clear at all it's a good idea. and then people like me get labeled "conservative fear mongers." it's pretty annoying!
Your claim was that the suicide rate went up
after transitioning. I quoted a part of the study you linked that said the data hadn't been collected in such a way to show this.
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Originally Posted by augie_
on a different but related note, there's another hypocrisy by the left that i've been thinking of lately. maybe someone will defend this one since nobody would defend the first one i set out.
ever since i was a kid, the argument for LGB rights (anyone remember when it was LGB?) was that sexual preference was born in. it was not a choice so it should never be discriminated against in any way. this is a view that i agree with. there are a million reasons why people become gay and it's obviously a mix of nature and society, with nature playing the greater role, but the ratio is different for everyone.
has that position evolved in any way? because it's at odds with the idea that a person can choose their gender at any time based on how they feel. or switch back and forth and be both genders. or some other gender (which means there are infinite genders and gender means nothing).
gender is OBVIOUSLY more biologically linked than sexual preference. you won't find sexual preference in our chromosomes but you will find gender. yet, gender is the choice? and who you want to have sex with was determined in the womb?
This was already explained in one of my previous posts. I do think it's inaccurate to say that people are born gay and that's that. Where things currently stand is that homosexuality has a genetic factor. The problem with genetic factors for behaviour is that we know that quite frequently you can have genes for some trait without expressing it later in life. And the mechanism via which this occurs is almost certainly not some reductive manner in which we could say something like "These two genes plus a mother that hugged him too long equals a gay man". It's going to be something more like "One of several combinations of genes plus a large number of subtle environmental factors".
And, very importantly, there's no evidence to suggest that it's traumatic experience that does anything here. Normal, healthy backgrounds lead to gay adults too.
When people say "You're born gay" they might be somewhat inaccurate, but what they often mean is more like "It's not a choice".
Not a huge stretch to claim it's part of the intent but that that doesn't matter either way here.