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Originally Posted by lycosid
I was writing while you posted this, augie, but it looks like Bladesman saw it coming and responded anyway. That study, and the 40% higher suicide rate that you cited, only compares trans people as a group to the total population. No one in this thread thinks that trans people are going to experience outcomes equal to the general population. They've been so ****ed with by the time they hit high school that its almost out of the question.
amazing. the study is not valid because it's comparing trans population to the general population. would you prefer if they compared the trans population to a population of penguins?
the bullying explanation doesn't hold water and you know it. it's frustrating to encounter such an obvious lie. you damn well know bullying doesn't account for that kind of increase in suicide. gay people cite lots of bullying, their suicide rate is much lower than the trans suicide rate. that's because being gay is a preference, a quirk. being transgender is a confusion about your own identity, much more obviously a negative condition.
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But supporting trans people, including through hormonal therapy, clearly improves those outcomes. Demonization through strange bathroom bills, and denial of medical and mental health care, don't help. That's really not in dispute, so fighting to tell trans people they are delusional and need to get over it while conservatives fear monger against them seems pretty horrific.
it's absolutely in dispute and it's not at all obvious that transitioning is helpful. the data shows that the suicide rate goes up when the trans person is noticed in public and goes down when the trans person is 'passable' and doesn't get noticed. should we tell certain trans people that they might make an ugly dude so they probably shouldn't transition?
another factor is if this becomes widely accepted as normal behavior, parents will start to give their children hormone treatment during adolescence if the child tells them they have gender confusion. children are extremely maliable and sexuality is very foreign and confusing during puberty. this will lead to children receiving hormones when they shouldn't and joining the 40% club instead of living a relatively normal life as gay or straight.
i'm not telling anyone to "get over it." someone very close to me has a serious mental illness. i'm well aware that people can't "get over it." they have to learn to live with it. SJW's and virtue signalers like to pretend they support people with mental health issues but i've experienced it first hand. when mental illness rears it's head, everyone except the family and VERY good friends quickly fade away.
but the transgender person also has a million virtue signalers online telling that person they're totally normal and they should absolutely cut their dick off when the real data shows that it's not clear at all it's a good idea. and then people like me get labeled "conservative fear mongers." it's pretty annoying!