I also broadly stand by these sentiments, still, despite their crudeness:
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I’m not shocked at all. I’ve been saying this for months, nearly a year. The moment you think he can’t do it is the moment he takes the White House. Of course Trump won. What is everyone so shocked about?
The media, the political elite, the pollsters, the markets, you… jaw on the floor. How could everyone have been so stupid.
Hillary Clinton. What were the Democrats thinking? Hillary Clinton. Don’t get me wrong, I wanted Hillary to win. I’d personally vote for Lucifer over Donald Trump. Trump. The pussy grabbing, wall building, climate change denying, health care abolishing, tax dodging, stuff stealing demagogue. How bad have you got to be to lose to that. Where was Sanders. Why wasn’t he on the ticket. I have no doubt in my mind that Sanders would have beaten Trump hands down, but instead they chose Clinton, a candidate who has been cozying up to the banks and dry humping corporations for years, who is on record telling her corporate friends that you should have a public and a private persona. In other words, don’t tell the truth to the plebs or you won’t be able to rip them off. “She’ll do.” That was the feeling.
What did they think was going to happen? People keep saying to me, “How did this happen?” They’re dumbfounded. But it’s so simple. The left did this. This is my fault. People like me. When are we going to learn. The left have given up any argument across at all, to the point where Clinton is considered left, liberal. On many issues, Theresa May is less right wing than Clinton. That’s just a fact. Yet my friends are on Facebook saying “I’m with her.” I’m not. “Oh, but she’s better than Trump.” Sorry, that’s not good enough. Clearly, clearly it’s not good enough. And if I see one more Tweet containing a #TrumpWins next to a #EverydaySexism I’m going to drop a bollock.
Not everyone who voted for Trump is a sexist or a racist. Some of them are, but most aren’t. Most people didn’t vote for Clinton, not because she’s a woman. They didn’t vote for her because she offered no palpable change whatsoever. Same old stuff. Trump represents a change. A terrifying change, but change none the less. Hillary represented… well, she represented very little actually, because she protects corporate interests, because she doesn’t call the police when questions from the debate are leaked to her in advance. I notice we barely reported that. Not everyone who voted for Trump is a sexist or a racist.
How many times does a vote not have to go our way before we realize that our argument isn’t won by hurling labels and insults. Tory majority government. Brexit. Trump. What next? When will we learn that the key is discussion. If you are unwilling to discuss then you are creating the conditions in which Donald Trump and people like him can thrive.
Instead of persuading people to vote, Hillary just quoted celebrity endorsements, and then lost… “What’s going on? It’s as if the political acumen of Beyoncé and JZ count for nothing!” Then she loses it, and loses the election, and she locks herself in her hotel because she’s too upset. Because it had never occurred to them to even write a concession speech. Either way, grow up. I have no sympathy for her whatsoever. Be a better candidate.
I can’t say this to any of my friends. I’d get lynched if I said this because people like me won’t listen. I did this. This is my fault. Donald Trump. The left is responsible for this result because the left have now decided that any other opinion, any other way of looking at the world is unacceptable. We don’t debate anymore because the left won the cultural war. So, if you’re on the right, you’re a freak, you’re evil, you’re racist, you are stupid, you are a basket of deplorables. How do you think people are going to vote if you talk to them like that? When has anyone been pursued by being insulted or labeled? So now if you’re on the right, or even against the pervading view, you are attacked for raising your opinion. That’s why people wait until they are in the voting booth. Nobody is watching anymore. There’s no blame or shame or anything and you can finally say what you really think and that is a powerful thing. The Tories are in charge, Brexit, and now Trump.
All the polls were wrong. All of them. Because when asked, people can’t admit what they think. They can’t admit what they think. They’re not allowed to. The left don’t allow them to. We’ve made people unable to articulate their positions for fear of being shut down. They are embarrassed to say it. Every time someone on the left has said, “You mustn’t say that” they are contributing to this culture [of intolerance]. It’s time to stop moaning. It’s time to stop crying over spilled Brexit. It’s time to stop ignoring your opponents or worse trying to silence them. It’s time to stop banning people from speaking in Universities. It’s time to stop thinking that reposting an article on your Facebook page is political engagement, and that banning a gymnast from doing what he’s good at because he insulted someone’s religion somehow achieves something… and, sorry, but when did the Gymnasts Association start thinking it was appropriate to start enforcing blasphemy laws? It’s time to realize that reading the Guardian doesn’t make you a liberal, and that retweeting Greenpeace doesn’t lower your carbon footprint. And if my mansplaining is triggering you, you can either go to your safe space or you can engage and debate me and tell me what I’m getting wrong, because Trump just won the White House. Being offended doesn’t work anymore. Throwing insults doesn’t work anymore. The only thing that works is caring and doing something, and what we have to do is to engage in the debate. Talk to people who think differently than you, and persuade them of your argument. It’s so easy, and the left have lost the art.
Stop thinking that everyone who disagrees with you is evil, or racist, or sexist, or stupid and talk to them. Persuade them otherwise, because if you don’t, I’ll tell you what you get, you get President Trump.
Again, that analysis is pretty unconvincing since the right does the exact same things. The right labels. The right calls the left evil. Hell, this election the right wanted Clinton to be thrown in jail over emails.
"All the polls were wrong. All of them. Because when asked, people can’t admit what they think. They can’t admit what they think. They’re not allowed to."
This is dumb. The polls weren't that wrong--at least no more wrong than they usually are. His argument is based on incorrect information.
Clearly this guy (and a lot of others) are not objectively assessing the evidence. They're just throwing stuff together and it doesn't make sense.
Again, that analysis is pretty unconvincing since the right does the exact same things. The right labels. The right calls the left evil. Hell, this election the right wanted Clinton to be thrown in jail over emails.
"All the polls were wrong. All of them. Because when asked, people can’t admit what they think. They can’t admit what they think. They’re not allowed to."
This is dumb. The polls weren't that wrong--at least no more wrong than they usually are. His argument is based on incorrect information.
Clearly this guy (and a lot of others) are not objectively assessing the evidence. They're just throwing stuff together and it doesn't make sense.
None of this stuff matters because the left are meant to be the clever people.
I don't really care about the alt right vote because I'm mostly talking about normal, everyday people.
The sort of person who voted for Obama 4 years ago and Trump last year.
Do not underestimate the extent to which normal people dislike this sort of thing.
Ok, so the people who reacted to SJWs by voting Trump aren't the anti-SJWs or the alt-right, they're a third group of people? Who are they and are they against racism, sexism etc.?
I think SJW-ism needs to be rooted out entirely if the left is ever going to see power again in the UK or the US.
lol this is amazing lack of awareness.
so you have been spewing posts all over, and even went to the lengths of producing hours of youtubes lamenting that these insufferable and dangerous "sjw's" are trying to stifle "free speech." and stifling is like the worst thing evar.
so your conclusion is to "root out" the sjw and essentially stifle their speech, and kill their voice.
This isn't my narrative. Apparently there's some group out there, and they aren't SJWs, aren't anti-SJWs, aren't alt-right, that elected Trump, and did so by eschewing all their values because they were pissed off about SJWs. I've got that right, yes?
The argument is that the self-righteous and over stringent policing of language actually ends up having the opposite of the desired effect while suppressing free speech.
Do you think shaming someone for saying or being racist when they are not actually racist is a suppression of their free speech?
This isn't my narrative. Apparently there's some group out there, and they aren't SJWs, aren't anti-SJWs, aren't alt-right, that elected Trump, and did so by eschewing all their values because they were pissed off about SJWs. I've got that right, yes?
You are being very silly. I posted my analysis above.
- tried to get people sacked for their political views
- orchestrated social media campaigns to ruin people's lives
- wrongly targetted people who are not guilty of the things they said they are
- willfully overlooked the facts of science for idelogical ends
- stamped on people's freedom to express their ideas by banning them
I dunno man. it sure seems that the sjw is attacked and ridiculed on this board and certainly on the internet. everyone is aware of the number that milo's anti-sjw's did on leslie jones and at gamergate.
I looked into that yale video and checked some of the utoob comments and found this
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when video of her tirade was posted online, she was mercilessly harassed by trolls, some of whom used racial epithets and threatened to kill her.
hell, just type sjw into google and scan some forums and comments sections and it appears that sjw are like the worst ppl in the world according to most commentators and social media.
and I guess its cliche but I really find it ironic that these anti-sjw really really want the sjw to shut up.
The problem you are talking about is online trolling not Anti-SJW-ism per se.
Like anything else, I suppose there is a more intellectual wing and a more ******ed wing.
The ******ed wing probably bleeds over into people who just cross the line.
There's a continuum with people like Jordan Peterson or Richard Dawkins on one end and Milo or literally Infowars on the other.
There's a line somewhere there which someone like me would never cross.
well I mean, I could just say that I dont think that the crazy, irrational, vindictive, free-speech suppressing ppl are the real sjw. real sjw are progressive, and protective, and smart, and reasonable, and tolerant.
You are being very silly. I posted my analysis above.
I'm just clarifying things. We've got a few groups: SJWs, anti-SJWs, alt-right, and Trump voters, right? And the Trump voters voted against their principles because they're mad.
I think A is doing a lot of bad things to B in that scenario.
Oppressing free speech is one of them, but even more than that, shutting down the debate with a kind of automatic trigger.
It's a bit like me and you are having a debate and I suddenly go and break the fire alarm. Now all we can hear is fire alarm.
The debate is drowned out by the noise.
So, I see it as profoundly anti-intellectual, dishonest, and actively harmful to sensible talk.
Yes, I agree, there are lots of bad things that happen when you falsely call someone a bigot. However, I'm interested specifically in whether you think it is a suppression of free speech. The US Constitution guarantees free speech, I'm wondering if you think there is something unconstitutional going on here.
