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During the 2016 election, dozens of voters told me they would vote for Donald Trump partly because they were sick of “social justice warriors” and political correctness. “There is no saying ‘Hey, I disagree with you,’ it's just instant shunning,” a 22-year-old told me in a long exchange on the subject. “Say things online, and they'll try to find out who you are and potentially even get you fired for it.”

Nothing was less popular among this cohort than those who targeted someone’s job, or took glee in their denying them the ability to earn a living, over their speech or political views.

And yet, as best I can tell, they are silent this week. There is no appreciable backlash among President Trump’s supporters to a Kentucky rally where he gleefully bragged about his role in publicly shaming a man for his political views, and the ongoing inability of that man to find a job because of his call-out.

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03-22-2017 , 12:58 PM

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White conservatives cry about one girl who didn't get into University of Michigan law school.

03-22-2017 , 01:07 PM

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Great thread on Kaepernick from yesterday:

https://twitter.com/eaton/status/844327588948533248

03-22-2017 , 01:38 PM

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Looks like the vulnerables are doing vulnerable people stuff in London again.

03-22-2017 , 01:40 PM

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How do people know so little as to think Germany didn't pay reparations after WW2? I mean, the Greeks will tell you how screwed they feel by it, but come on, don't tell me that it wasn't a thing that was demanded and to some extent provided.

Paying reparations works when the perpetrator pays the victim. Not when their innocent descendants pay someone who wasn't a victim.

03-22-2017 , 02:14 PM

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I was demonstrating that discrimination and oppression against black Americans is an ongoing problem, it isn't something that ended a long time ago.

No doubt black Americans face oppression and discrimination, but what part of the article that you posted is an example of that? Do you think the security officers put him in the shower because he was black or do you think they got off the hook because he was black?

03-22-2017 , 02:23 PM

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You dont just get to rewrite the meaning of the word racist whenever it suits your needs. So not only is it not useful to frame it like this its factually wrong according to the dictionary. What authority does this women have to change the meaning of words as they appear in the dictionary?

If she said institutionalized racism then that is an argument I can at least listen to.

Are you familiar with this women and how do you know what she means by racism?

It's a long on-going debate. People being racist and issues such as institutional racism are related but different things. Both are so important that it makes no sense to me why we would ever want to confuse them. Still, both usages are common in politics conversations, so you might have to keep clarifying what is being talked about.

03-22-2017 , 02:32 PM

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Yes!

03-22-2017 , 02:41 PM

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Trump Brags That He Cost a Man His Livelihood
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...lihood/520233/

more correct is that Kaepernick cannot get a job simply because, relative to the other QB's on the free-agent market, he isn't as good and is toxic to the locker room chemistry.

From other articles about why he is still a free agent, it is NOT that the owners are worried about a Trump tweet.

03-22-2017 , 02:45 PM

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So you think they literally only put him in the shower because he was black AND the judge isn't prosecuting them because he was black.

03-22-2017 , 02:48 PM

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Every person who thinks Kaepernick did anything wrong is too stupid to bother debating. There is minimum bar of intelligence to make any discussion worthwhile and they simply don't clear it.

03-22-2017 , 02:49 PM

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Paying reparations works when the perpetrator pays the victim. Not when their innocent descendants pay someone who wasn't a victim.

The argument for reparations isn't a quick one, and possibly not suited for this thread, but here I'm more interested in the laughable idea that Germany didn't have to pay out money or make a lot of concessions after WW2. As far as distance from the past goes, what I'll say is that land acquired and businesses built on forced labour continue to make profit to this day. As long as people are still inheriting profit from that it seems unfair to say there's a hard limit on a claim to a share.

03-22-2017 , 03:12 PM

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Yes, I would agree.

03-22-2017 , 03:14 PM

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So you think they literally only put him in the shower because he was black AND the judge isn't prosecuting them because he was black.

Do you think it's the same % this happens if he's white?

03-22-2017 , 03:14 PM

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Paying reparations works when the perpetrator pays the victim. Not when their innocent descendants pay someone who wasn't a victim.

If you accept that victims should be entitled to compensation it's hard to argue that the children or heirs to their estate are entitled to nothing.

Because if they were paid in a timely manner in most cases this would directly translate to larger inheritances being left, and it's coming out of the remnants of the estates of people who would have been held accountable. It's not as if there's no precedence for making claims on behalf of or against a persons estate after their death... you can do that for a lot of different reasons.

It's just that the more generations removed you are it gets exponentially more difficult to estimate damages and to map out who is owed what. And nobody really cares to take on that task on behalf of some individuals being singled out for large payouts - instead, if you really believed in making the world a more fair place, you'd just champion a cause that gets people who rolled high at life to pad the depths of despair for the people who rolled low. Zomg socialism.

03-22-2017 , 03:30 PM

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Theoretically, that all makes sense. That's why socialism sounds so attractive on the surface. It's an easy argument for you to make when focusing on the goodness and fairness of it all. Can you figure out a way to make it work in the real world where no innocents have to pay for something they didn't wrought?

03-22-2017 , 04:35 PM

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Looks like the vulnerables are doing vulnerable people stuff in London again.

Let me know when they boil somebody alive in a shower and no one presses charges.

03-22-2017 , 04:45 PM

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So you think they literally only put him in the shower because he was black AND the judge isn't prosecuting them because he was black.

DAs aren't judges.

I'm going to assume racism until thoroughly disproven. Got to got with inductive reasoning here.

03-22-2017 , 06:44 PM

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Do you think it's the same % this happens if he's white?

Considering it is Flori-duh and involves southern corrections, yeah...primarily because in the southern part of the country, complaints by and deaths in custody of convicted felons basically are all viewed by law enforcement and the courts as not really being that big of a deal. Once convicted, color (race) ceases to be the variable it would be for the person on the streets sans conviction.

Rare is the instance that you will actually see criminal prosecution of correctional personnel involved in a custodial death.

03-22-2017 , 10:44 PM

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https://twitter.com/ShaunKing/status/844739406284144640

03-22-2017 , 10:46 PM

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That would still mean there's a racial element involved here. Black men are more likely to go to prison than white men, and for a longer time, even for committing the same crime.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank...eration-rates/

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While institutionalization rates rose for both blacks and whites from 1980 to 2000, it was especially sharp among the less educated black men – rising from 10% in 1980 for those ages 20 to 24 to 30% in 2000. In 2010, the institutionalization rate for this group dropped to 26%, but, as was the case in 2000, they were more likely to be institutionalized than they were to be employed (19% employment rate in 2010). Institutionalization and employment trends were similar, if not more dramatic, for black men with no high school diploma ages 25 to 29.

The chart is based on a study by University of Chicago economists Derek Neal and Armin Rick, who tabulated Census Long Form data from 1960 to 2000, and American Community Survey data from 2010. Neal and Rick’s study was in part a follow-up to a 1989 paper by James Smith of the RAND Corporation and Finis Welch of UCLA, which found substantial progress in closing the black-white gap in education, employment and earnings from 1940 to 1980.

But in the U. Chicago study, Neal and Rick concluded that progress on similar measures have sputtered since 1980, in part because of the disproportionately high incarceration rates. They noted, for example, that while employment rates for all men had declined since 1980, “these declines in employment and increases in incarceration have been much more dramatic among black men than white men.” The authors attributed part of this trend to the change in prison policies in the 1970s and 80s.

In 2010, all black men were six times as likely as all white men to be incarcerated in federal, state and local jails, according to a 2013 Pew Research Center study. We also found that black-white gaps in median household income and wealth had widened in recent decades, while gaps in high school completion and life expectancy had narrowed. In last year’s survey, fewer than half of all Americans (45%) said the country has made substantial progress toward racial equality, and 49% said “a lot more” remains to be done.

03-22-2017 , 11:36 PM

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Innocents pay for things in the real world now when the courts say the goverment has done harm. Settlements form police brutality and all lawsuits against the goverment come from taxes in the same way reparations would.

03-23-2017 , 04:41 AM

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So what did you mean by this?

In the case of the Chicago kidnapping, they were all arrested and charged with hate crimes. If the parlance of our times is 'black people can't be racist' because racism is defined as an institutional thing, they'll still be arrested and charged with hate crimes. The only difference is you get to 'call' black people 'racist'.