Do you know why businesses were vilified? Do you think people just got together and went: "I hate those businessmen, they have all the money lets **** with them!" No, those regulations where put into place because when you focus on profits over everything else everything else tends to get **** on.

I don't think you should run away from this, because many of the posters like Well Named identify as SJW (or re-appropriate the term), but they are what I would affectionately call social justice advocates. They argue honestly and do not try to smear and lie about other posters. I cannot imagine them taking part in a "Twitter storm" to get someone fired. I honestly don't think they spend much time arguing with what you (and sometimes I) would call SJW's, because they're pretty much on the "same side."

I've been trying to get to the bottom of this too, how to define what you and I agree is a big problem, and what they tend to think is just inevitable noise I suppose.

Agree 100%. I wonder what the avg hourly rate is for a SJW? There has to be an underlying financial factor causing their unhappiness (constant screaming/whining/etc).

This whole thread is people screaming and whining about SJW's.

Scalzi is one of the better known SJWs and he's a successful author, maybe it has nothing to do with unhappiness and more to with respecting other people and standing up for people being attacked by racist bigoted *******s?

How many Syrian refugees is Mr. Skalzi taking in and protecting from the bigoted capitalists?

How many are you denying entrance to until they are fully vetted?

100% of the world get denied until fully vetted. Duh.

Even the white people?

Especially them lol

I'm not sure of any predominantly white country that bans Jews from entering tho. You may wanna fact check.

I don't care much about 'SJWs' or the 'anti-SJWs' as defined and depicted in this thread.

But I will say I am very opposed to Obnoxious Fake Liberals, or OFLs. It seems there is some overlap between SJWs and OFLs, so I can understand if some anti-SJW's have distaste for SJW's, but really a lot of that is just OFLs being so obnoxious that they give SJWs a bad rap.

If someone says 'Lena Dunham is a racist obnoxious human and that type of person being on -my side- of the two-party system, and a vocal public one no less, kind of sucks".... and YOU take offense to that? You might be an OFL.

Do you just spend all day making up stupid labels for people?

He's running away because the second people gave him thoughtful answers that required him to in turn respond with thoughtful answers of his own he decided it was better to peace out.

No, it's just that I've spent a lot of energy spelling out all my arguments in those videos, and I don't feel like I have the will to do it all again.

Maybe in a week or so, but not right now. My arguments are all there in video form if anyone REALLY wants to know my thinking. If not, you'll have to wait.

I'm not looking to silence anyone, ban them, ruin their lives via social media, etc. That doesn't preclude me from understanding what they are.

I'm happy to have an honest discussion with anyone who is willing. I don't see much of that here. If you're different, then let's discuss.

I despise the right wingers and Trump in particular. There is nothing short of a come to Jesus moment for him to win my vote. If he reverted back to the guy who used to go on Howard Stern, that would be a start.

I consider Hillary to be not much better. I was voting for the SCOTUS bc I'm terrified what 2 or 3 more conservatives will do. If not for that,i would have voted third party.

I listened to a few of his utube videos and the guy has actually put a lot of thought into this. He actually sounds pretty smart, maybe a college professor? I hope he argues his ideas, I'd like to see some of your counters, esp WN and OriP.

So, to get it straight, there's SJWs, anti-SJWs, and the alt-right who are anti-SJWs but different to anti-SJWs, and it's the alt-right who were driven to their position of voting in Trump by the SJWs? Do the alt-right who voted for Trump also believe in equality and such?

Nope, because the sort of anti-SJW that people like FoldnDark or myself represent are more in the tradition of classical liberalism

SJWs offend our sense of liberty with their often bullying and oppressive behaviour.

You should try watching some videos. This one is a good one to start with: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4du9pjsJKn0 (not one of mine)

Or if you want something VERY short, how about those Halloween protests at Yale? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QqgNcktbSA

If you defend those people's behaviour, you are defending SJW behaviour.

So, if the alt-right that voted in Trump don't have core values like equality, it sort of fits that they'd vote in a candidate who fits that mould (Trump) regardless of what SJWs say or do. They're just voting in accordance with their actual values and not as some kind of rebellion to anything.

I don't really care about the alt right vote because I'm mostly talking about normal, everyday people.

The sort of person who voted for Obama 4 years ago and Trump last year.

Do not underestimate the extent to which normal people dislike this sort of thing.

The available evidence suggests this is a fairly small group of people, although an important group in 2016 given their geographic distribution and the electoral college. Certainly it's an interesting group of people to discuss, but it's not overwhelmingly large nor have I seen much evidence that they were motivated primarily by "anti-SJW" sentiments.

But, beyond that, the strange thing about the argument that these voters were persuaded to vote for Trump in opposition to SJWs is that it ignores the question of why they weren't disinclined to vote for Trump based on opposition to the alt-right?

You are conflating both your views and the average Fox news viewer as "normal" when this is not true or supported by any study or statistic.
Do you believe the "SJW" crowd to be much larger than the alt right?
Do you believe the amount of people to vote against people who are for social justice larger than the amount who voted against white nationalism, racism and xenophobia?
How many people do you think had this as a top 5 issue?

These are all and have been quantified, by the way.

I gave you my full analysis of the Trump victory before. Do you really want to rehash it?

I wrote this on November 16th:

I wrote this on November 18th:

I stand by my assessments entirely.