Most everything Zwarte posts falls in the [citation needed] category.

A "warrior" can be any fighter in any context. Fighting for an abstract ideology such as "social justice" is fraught with a perverse deadening of the concept of "helping your neighbor".

Marx was a "social justice warrior" and called for the overthrow and eradication of the economic/political powers and though Lenin succeeded in Russia.

Lenin and his activists only explained themselves as a matter of propaganda, not truth in reality as they cajoled, killed, and destroyed the status quo.

Soviet Russia, the essence of "social justice warrior" or extreme liberality which suppresses all that Man can work for in his soul work on the earth. As the socialists have been known to say, "you can believe anything you want as long as it is what we want you to believe".

The idea that activists of the street should "explain themselves" as on this forum doesn't comprehend that a movement of so called activists is not a man or woman but groups acting without reason as was the Bolsheviks under the tutelage of Lenin. They aren't supposed to think within reason or care for one's neighbor or display compassion, and they don't.

Going full Hegel here is is , of course, possible to bring forth the opposite but a difficulty( not the only one) is the question of "ideology" which is heartless and can be used for all purposes, mostly for the superficiality of abstracted thought.

Well, I actually meant that as in "discourse that is damaging" to society. If over-zealous, hyperbolic attacks calling people racist or sexist damages society, then wouldn't over-zealous hyperbolic attacks calling people "SJW"s do the same thing?

Some groups maybe but not all and I'd object to it being thought of as the norm. There's some who don't seem to care or display compassion but it's a small minority.

Polarisation damages society both directly and because of the consequences that cause far more damage (trump for example). Yes, absolutely both sides are doing the damage.

Unfortunately it's a self-reinforcing behaviour. Commonly the more liberal people recognise this (instinctively or rationally) and seek to break the dynamic even if the others don't cooperate.

The part about people not voting for democrats because they act like their balls are in their wives purses is so spot on

Yeah this needs to be a pizza thread or !!! thread or whatever.

Couldn't agree more.

There are good reasons why it doesn't happen the other way around. To explain this, see video 13 in my series.

stop spamming your youtubes

I disagree. There's enough !!! discussion of this sort of thing elsewhere.

I don't see an issue at all. Watch them if you want, if you don't want to don't. It's hardly "spamming". I reject your post entirely.

Just to let you know. I'm unsure of the site rules, I watched part of one and it seemed on topic so I'm allowing it for now but please keep them to this thread. If you think it's relevant to another thread then direct them here.

SJW is being used as a perjorative so instead of criticising a specific poster they are criticising a class of poster, seems kind of unfair when in one post they can talk about all the things SJW's do, without specifically calling a poster and in another post call someone a SJW with the implicit association of all the **** they've already posted.

Like anyone disagreeing with Black Peter and LordJvK are now left terrorists and I'm not allowed to call them idiots. Where's the line chez or is a post once removed from singling out a poster alright with you?

I think dereds is trying to police this thread by shutting it down.

Exactly the sort of illiberalism we've been talking about.

We don't have to rely on stereotypes and closed information sources these days. We can get to know warriors directly through social media.

We have to be able to discuss white supremacy even though some like to call posters white supremacist. Same issue with this and many other topics. Posters just need to be take a bit of care and be reasonable about it.

The main aim is to avoid it becoming a derail about posters or the politics forums.

We aren't talking about white supremacy we are talking about social justice warriors, which in the context of this thread is posters who engage in some range of activities, or are believed to engage in some range of activities. The only difference is that the criticism is levelled at a class of poster rather than an individual which is kinda dishonest and pretty transparent.

It was an example of a topic with the same problem. If SJW or the related issues are about anything then it's not remotely restricted to the few posters on 2+2 and it's a legitimate topic.

Look at the thread opener and tell me that it wasn't specifically directed at posters and moderators of this forum.

In any case it's your party I'm taking this elsewhere

I don't understand dereds's objections at all.

What are you saying? That people in this thread need to front up and name names?

This is an issue that goes far far beyond 2+2. Take a look at tumblr or twitter once in a while. Look at your Facebook feed.

The first post is where I extracted it from another place.

I agree with your view on the first post but like the PC thread which was a far more blatant example, we can easily move on from it to the real topic.

Yes, I'm suggesting that this thread should be one where criticism of a poster is allowed because SJW is a label generally used perjoratively towards a class that contains members of this forum and it is better to have the argument openly about the poster rather than about the class.

And yes SJWing of course goes beyond this forum but when discussed on this forum it is generally about other members of it.

This is the place for it not to be about forum members as much as possible. It's not trivial because it's so often a forum topic but it's also far too legitimate a topic not to merit a content thread.


Now lets move on from this please. It can be taken to one of the moderating threads if anyone want to continue

I explicitly do not want to attack other posters, I want to attack the class.

I am not in the business of getting personal or singling people out. I don't think it will go anywhere good and there are PLENTY of non-2+2 examples to draw from.

If others want to get personal, that is their business. I will not.