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01-31-2017 , 11:33 PM
Simply labeling is easy. Labeling accurately is not always so.
01-31-2017 , 11:55 PM
"SJW" as far as I can tell, is just a term for "liberals I disagree with." It became widespread as part of the misogynistic #gamergate controversy. It seems to be a term of art for people who can't be bothered to come up with a coherent argument.
02-01-2017 , 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
"SJW" as far as I can tell, is just a term for "liberals I disagree with." It became widespread as part of the misogynistic #gamergate controversy. It seems to be a term of art for people who can't be bothered to come up with a coherent argument.
nope
02-01-2017 , 02:08 AM
Pretty sure that's a 'yup'
02-01-2017 , 02:30 AM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Bill Maher, someone who could be at the top of Trump's hit list, tells the crybaby drama queen shamer crowd to STFU:







I hope you're watching OriP.


That was really good.
02-01-2017 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
Reminder to all - This is a content thread to discuss definitions and ideas about SJW.

Please take any views about posters, trolling etc to one of the !!! threads
I NEED SOME PIZZA UP IN HERE STAT
02-01-2017 , 03:35 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
It's staggering, they Will.Not.See.It.

It has made me get increasingly frustrated, since even after two of the biggest losses in history, they still just Will.Not.See.It.

Ruining a lot of things.
See what?
02-01-2017 , 03:37 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I just asked someone else this, you might also want a go at answering.

1) The best way to combat racism is:

A) Behave like a puritan about it all of the time, every day, scolding everyone who doesn't exactly adhere to your standards of political correctness

B) literally anything else
You know this doesn't actually happen, right, it's just what breitbart tells you is happening?
02-01-2017 , 03:44 AM
I stand before the Galactic High Court Of Social Justice Warring.

So, back in the day, when I was about 13-14, I was playing basketball with some kids in my grandmother's neighborhood, in an alley. I put my wallet and keys and stuff on the ground. My wallet fell open. One of the kids asked me, with a look of disgust, and I quote, "Ugh, why do have all these picture of n****rs in your wallet?" 1 of the pictures happened to be my GF. So, I paused, then shoved him into the garage, then forearm checked him in the throat and held him there whilst asking, "Why do I have what mother****er?" He didn't utter a peep. After about 30secs I let him go and he ran off like a coward.

The question is, am I a SJW or no?
02-01-2017 , 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Simply labeling is easy. Labeling accurately is not always so.
Ain't that the truth.
02-01-2017 , 06:01 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
You know this doesn't actually happen, right, it's just what breitbart tells you is happening?
I've never once in my life read Breitbart.
02-01-2017 , 06:02 AM
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Originally Posted by 5ive
I stand before the Galactic High Court Of Social Justice Warring.

So, back in the day, when I was about 13-14, I was playing basketball with some kids in my grandmother's neighborhood, in an alley. I put my wallet and keys and stuff on the ground. My wallet fell open. One of the kids asked me, with a look of disgust, and I quote, "Ugh, why do have all these picture of n****rs in your wallet?" 1 of the pictures happened to be my GF. So, I paused, then shoved him into the garage, then forearm checked him in the throat and held him there whilst asking, "Why do I have what mother****er?" He didn't utter a peep. After about 30secs I let him go and he ran off like a coward.

The question is, am I a SJW or no?
Nah
02-01-2017 , 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Anyway, if you want to know the specific psychological phenomenon that makes people hate SJWs, and really any type of moral puritan, it is this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reactance_(psychology)

( fixed link )

See also illiberalism.
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Originally Posted by Wiki Reactance
Psychological reactance occurs in response to threats to perceived behavioral freedoms.[1][2] An example of such behavior can be observed when an individual engages in a prohibited activity in order to deliberately taunt the authority who prohibits it, regardless of the utility or disutility that the activity confers. An individual's freedom to select when and how to conduct their behavior, and the level to which they are aware of the relevant freedom—and are able to determine behaviors necessary to satisfy that freedom—affect the generation of psychological reactance. It is assumed that if a person's behavioral freedom is threatened or reduced, they become motivationally aroused. The fear of loss of further freedoms can spark this arousal and motivate them to re-establish the threatened freedom. Because this motivational state is a result of the perceived reduction of one's freedom of action, it is considered a counterforce, and thus is called "psychological reactance".
Interesting stuff. Judging from kerowo, it seems like becoming an SJW must to making one a fairly miserable person.



Above YT gives an overview plus lolz.
02-01-2017 , 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
nope
What's the argument then?
02-01-2017 , 08:43 AM
The argument is that the self-righteous and over stringent policing of language actually ends up having the opposite of the desired effect while suppressing free speech.

No one is saying that it is okay to be racist. What we are saying is that when taken too far political correctness ends up being quite a harmful force in society, used to bully and cajole political opponents and giving direct power to people like Donald Trump who can exploit people's frustrations.

The left's continued failure to see this is pretty staggering.
02-01-2017 , 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
The argument is that the self-righteous and over stringent policing of language actually ends up having the opposite of the desired effect while suppressing free speech.

No one is saying that it is okay to be racist. What we are saying is that when taken too far political correctness ends up being quite a harmful force in society, used to bully and cajole political opponents and giving direct power to people like Donald Trump who can exploit people's frustrations.

The left's continued failure to see this is pretty staggering.
Most of us on the left see it clearly, but it's the lefterrorists who simply don't care. They get too much enjoyment out of being holier than thou and will stop at nothing. Much like crack addicts.
02-01-2017 , 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Most of us on the left see it clearly, but it's the lefterrorists who simply don't care. They get too much enjoyment out of being holier than thou and will stop at nothing. Much like crack addicts.
This is great. There needs to be MORE of you.

I think SJW-ism needs to be rooted out entirely if the left is ever going to see power again in the UK or the US.
02-01-2017 , 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I've never once in my life read Breitbart.
I was going to say 'Fake News' but didn't want to seem overly antagonistic.
02-01-2017 , 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
This is great. There needs to be MORE of you.

I think SJW-ism needs to be rooted out entirely if the left is ever going to see power again in the UK or the US.
I don't agree that it needs to be rooted out completely. Everyone should have a voice. The current problem, and one that has been going on now for a couple of decades, is that the hard left has an obnoxiously strident voice and they shout down any liberals who disagree with anything they say. In some countries, they even go so far as to ban that dissent.

You can see on this board that many of the lefterrorists resort to lumping any liberals who disagree with them into the "right-wing deplorables" category and then calling them names. They have no interest in resolving differences. They just want to scream and whine until they get their way. Much like 3 year olds, although that's probably not fair to 3 year olds.

The result is that some liberals vote the other party bc they don't feel at home in the Democratic party anymore. I only voted for Hillary bc of the SCOTUS. I can fully understand many of my fellow center-leaning liberals (socially liberal, fiscally moderate, etc.) saying, **** it, i'm voting for the guy who will fight back against these idiots. I think they made a mistake, obviously, but i can understand their frustration.
02-01-2017 , 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
The argument is that the self-righteous and over stringent policing of language actually ends up having the opposite of the desired effect while suppressing free speech.
What exactly is over-stringent? What do you want to be able to say that you can't say?

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No one is saying that it is okay to be racist. What we are saying is that when taken too far political correctness ends up being quite a harmful force in society, used to bully and cajole political opponents and giving direct power to people like Donald Trump who can exploit people's frustrations.
How far is too far?

You can see that this is the important consideration, right? I agree that political correctness taken too far can be damaging. The people who take it "too far" are a minority, imo.
02-01-2017 , 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
Most of us on the left see it clearly, but it's the lefterrorists who simply don't care. They get too much enjoyment out of being holier than thou and will stop at nothing. Much like crack addicts.
This seems like a pretty "SJW" thing to say, doesn't it? Hyperbolic, dismissive, etc. But this is presumably not damaging discourse?
02-01-2017 , 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Peter
I don't agree that it needs to be rooted out completely. Everyone should have a voice. The current problem, and one that has been going on now for a couple of decades, is that the hard left has an obnoxiously strident voice and they shout down any liberals who disagree with anything they say. In some countries, they even go so far as to ban that dissent.

You can see on this board that many of the lefterrorists resort to lumping any liberals who disagree with them into the "right-wing deplorables" category and then calling them names. They have no interest in resolving differences. They just want to scream and whine until they get their way. Much like 3 year olds, although that's probably not fair to 3 year olds.

The result is that some liberals vote the other party bc they don't feel at home in the Democratic party anymore. I only voted for Hillary bc of the SCOTUS. I can fully understand many of my fellow center-leaning liberals (socially liberal, fiscally moderate, etc.) saying, **** it, i'm voting for the guy who will fight back against these idiots. I think they made a mistake, obviously, but i can understand their frustration.
Sorry, but this post is completely irrational. If the hard left pushes you so far to the right that you almost voted for Trump, then I ask why the hard right isn't pushing you towards the left. Do you just ignore the amazingly terrible things said by the hard right? Or do you agree with those things? If you don't agree, why does one annoy so much more than the other?

Sure, I can see getting annoyed at liberals who constantly attack liberals, especially when their arguments are bad. I can't imagine that I would ever abandon my own beliefs because of the bad behavior of a few (or even many) liberals. How well grounded in logic could my beliefs be if I ditch them simply because I get annoyed?
02-01-2017 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
This seems like a pretty "SJW" thing to say, doesn't it? Hyperbolic, dismissive, etc. But this is presumably not damaging discourse?
Any damage to discourse happens when it's aimed at the people involved although I'm not sure hyperbole or being dismissive cause much problem. It's mostly the various ways of attacking the person that effectively stops the discourse.
02-01-2017 , 10:42 AM
Maybe back-up and re-start with- What makes a warrior?

The diverse groups of warriors I ally with currently all have codes or values they hold to follow.

A unifying theme is protection. A warrior is one who protects. The young, the elderly, those who can't protect themselves. A warrior puts those people first ahead of themselves and becomes like a living shield.
02-01-2017 , 10:43 AM
Indeed. I'm not even addressing whether these people who go too far are SJWs.

      
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