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08-13-2017 , 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
They can and have been defined over and over and over and over again in economic, sociology, anthropology, history and psychology research.
and the solution that's offered is apply the things, intentionally, but in reverse. i want to stop a crime so i'll perpetrate it in reverse. seems moral.
08-13-2017 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
yea, i already got it, you think that the entire black community is racist and that they can only be policed by people who look like them. hard to be more racist toward them than that. i believe that they can be policed by cops of any race.



i don't. i don't understand how you can be this illiterate. i don't want race to be a factor at all. i want the best candidates to receive the jobs in every field.




you think there's no objective criteria that people are judged on? you don't think a police hiring manager is able to determine which of their candidates is best qualified? have you ever been hired for anything, ever? on the application did you list some information to attempt to convince the employer to hire you? or did everyone just list their name, gender, and ethnic group?




well you just got done writing that it would be better for the black community if they didn't have to see any white faces on their cops. it's hard to be more racist toward the black community than that. i think the black community can be successfully policed by officers of any color.
Jesus Christ can you really be this obtuse?

I want Natalie Portman to be my girlfriend but that doesnt make it so.

Every single study ever done in every social science clearly and without debate establishes that racism exists and is part of EVERY SINGLE PERSONS thinking.

I want to live in a world where race doesn't matter but that is not this one.

The difference between you and I is I'm intellectually honest enough to understand the real world and to accept that I'm part of the group benefitting from this fact of human nature. You call all the evidence fake news because it props up the system and you don't care at all how it effects people not like you.
08-13-2017 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
and the solution that's offered is apply the things, intentionally, but in reverse. i want to stop a crime so i'll perpetrate it in reverse. seems moral.
Much more moral to prop up the system because it benefits you personally.
08-13-2017 , 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
you want to be on the "right" side so badly that your only reaction to someone opposite you but who also has compassion is just to defame them. unbelievable that you would read my posts and then write something like "he doesn't think trans people deserve dignity." And then defend it by saying you "used my exact words."

you are an absolutely despicable liar and misrepresenter and anyone literate with two brain cells to rub together can go back and read my posts and they will see that.

honestly, and i mean this sincerely, you must be rotten to the core to come after me like that. you should probably look in the mirror. every single one of my posts regarding trans people was in their interest. sometimes things that are good for you can make you feel bad.

i'm sure it must be rough to discover you have a mental illness but your idea of kindness is to tell them their mental illness is actually true. seems like the opposite of kindness to me. i'd prefer that trans people stopped killing themselves at insanely massive rates.

yes, you deceptive truth corrupter, i argued a business should be allowed to hang a NO BLACKS sign in their door. and i also said i don't like racism, i wouldn't eat there, and i would hope that not a single person would eat there. but go ahead and paint me as a racist, you lie loving anti-moralist.

first of all, what kind of anti-racist would even want to eat there in the first place. you want him to take the sign down so you can be seen in public eating there?

this is a perfect example of how the left never stops virtue signaling. the sign is what's important to you, not the owners actual racism and the effect it would have on his business.

an owner who would hang this sign on his door would be crippling his business. he would get no black labor, no black customers, and no customers or labor who had a heart or soul.

or do you think a million racists will just come out of the woodwork and say "finally! the racist sub shop utopia i've been looking for! i'm coming here every day!"

get your ostrich head out of the sand and get a grip






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Originally Posted by augie_
looks like psychological projection to me.
I'll just leave this here
08-13-2017 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
yea, i already got it, you think that the entire black community is racist and that they can only be policed by people who look like them. hard to be more racist toward them than that. i believe that they can be policed by cops of any race.
I think that the black community rightly is wary of white people in power because they apparently know more about history than you do. Nowhere did I state that they could "only be policed by people who look like them." You either are making stuff because you are badly losing this argument or you are not following the argument in the first place.

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i don't. i don't understand how you can be this illiterate. i don't want race to be a factor at all. i want the best candidates to receive the jobs in every field.
No you don't. You were just trying to make the argument that racial jury selection is okay if it means a killer is more likely to go to jail.

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you think there's no objective criteria that people are judged on? you don't think a police hiring manager is able to determine which of their candidates is best qualified? have you ever been hired for anything, ever? on the application did you list some information to attempt to convince the employer to hire you? or did everyone just list their name, gender, and ethnic group?
Of course there are objective criteria. The ability to successfully interact with the local community is an objective factor.


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well you just got done writing that it would be better for the black community if they didn't have to see any white faces on their cops. it's hard to be more racist toward the black community than that. i think the black community can be successfully policed by officers of any color.
This is an obvious lie and a pathetic attempt to distract from your many contradictory arguments.
08-13-2017 , 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
yes, you deceptive truth corrupter, i argued a business should be allowed to hang a NO BLACKS sign in their door. and i also said i don't like racism, i wouldn't eat there, and i would hope that not a single person would eat there. but go ahead and paint me as a racist, you lie loving anti-moralist.

first of all, what kind of anti-racist would even want to eat there in the first place. you want him to take the sign down so you can be seen in public eating there?

this is a perfect example of how the left never stops virtue signaling. the sign is what's important to you, not the owners actual racism and the effect it would have on his business.

an owner who would hang this sign on his door would be crippling his business. he would get no black labor, no black customers, and no customers or labor who had a heart or soul.

or do you think a million racists will just come out of the woodwork and say "finally! the racist sub shop utopia i've been looking for! i'm coming here every day!"
So are you blind, deaf, or do you just not follow the news? Because these people actually did, proudly, come out to the streets yesterday, and then murdered a woman. You think they will proudly march with their racist slogans, Hitler quotes, and fiery torches but they WOULDN'T eat at a "No Blacks" sandwich shop?

You're either lying, or immensely deaf to the current situation of our country.
08-13-2017 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
hypothetical: let's say the state is prosecuting some guy who murdered his wife. the guy is black and his wife was white.

we want this guy in prison, yes?

the prosecutor determines that white jurors are MUCH more likely to convict this guy than black jurors.

would you not prefer that the state prosecutor attempts to make the jury as white as possible so we can put him in jail?
I would want the prosecution to prove their case so that ANY jury would convict the man if he was guilty.
08-13-2017 , 12:02 PM
If you're a black man in a black City with a black police force and a black City council with a black mayor you're probably in the dangerous place a black person could be in America.

But, you know, they "connect". If there was any merit at all that it worked we could at least have a discussion but the results seem to be the reverse. It gets WORSE.
08-13-2017 , 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
The difference between you and I is I'm intellectually honest enough to understand the real world and to accept that I'm part of the group benefitting from this fact of human nature. You call all the evidence fake news because it props up the system and you don't care at all how it effects people not like you.
1) racism is bad
2) figure out who was racist in the past
3) be racist against them
4) racism is good

leftist guide to morality and race
08-13-2017 , 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
When the racist people hold positions of power, then the system is racially biased.
Not possible. Hasn't it been established that racist people are lower iq and under educated? How is it possible that dumb uneducated people run the system?
08-13-2017 , 12:14 PM
Only highly educated people understand the nuance of systemic racism. The highest educated are the politicians.

Let's put the dishwashers in charge. Switch it up.
08-13-2017 , 12:16 PM
it is true you have to be highly educated to believe in falsities like systemic racism and white guilt
08-13-2017 , 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by manbearpuig
How is it possible that dumb uneducated people run the system?


Guile. They don't have to be "uneducated". They can have ignored education for alternative information.
08-13-2017 , 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
If you're a black man in a black City with a black police force and a black City council with a black mayor you're probably in the dangerous place a black person could be in America.

But, you know, they "connect". If there was any merit at all that it worked we could at least have a discussion but the results seem to be the reverse. It gets WORSE.


You sound like an "identity-politics" style white supremacist.
08-13-2017 , 12:20 PM
Idiot liberals with their idiot ideas. How many insitutions do they wreck? The education system is lolololtastic because of their idiocy.

Everything they touch is aids.
08-13-2017 , 12:21 PM
Here comes the master aids spreader.

Morning, spank.
08-13-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
it is true you have to be highly educated to believe in falsities like systemic racism and white guilt


Lame.
08-13-2017 , 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
If you're a black man in a black City with a black police force and a black City council with a black mayor you're probably in the dangerous place a black person could be in America.

But, you know, they "connect". If there was any merit at all that it worked we could at least have a discussion but the results seem to be the reverse. It gets WORSE.
You are not racist at all.
08-13-2017 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Here comes the master aids spreader.
That's you.

Have you taken responsibility for acting like a bigot yet? Did you show it?
08-13-2017 , 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Idiot liberals with their idiot ideas. How many insitutions do they wreck? The education system is lolololtastic because of their idiocy.

Everything they touch is aids.
Well reasoned and argued. You are a scholar sir.
08-13-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
You are not racist at all.
Look it up. Feel free to report back with the safest cities for blacks and please break down their leadership and police force by race. I bet you'd be surprised.

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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Well reasoned and argued. You are a scholar sir.
And you are most definitely not. You are a typical leftist "thinker" that uses social bull**** "data" when your back is to the wall when asked for explain something. You use real data in a dishonest way, using the parts that help you and throw out the rest. When confronted you use words like "systemic", a word that means nothing in these discussions.

Everything about your arguments reek of intellectual dishonesty and simply pushing your agenda. If you had real arguments people here would be more than welcome to listen to them. You don't.

I can only pray the judicial branch in this country has the sense to limit the idiocy you people will bring upon us.
08-13-2017 , 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
If you're a black man in a black City with a black police force and a black City council with a black mayor you're probably in the dangerous place a black person could be in America.

But, you know, they "connect". If there was any merit at all that it worked we could at least have a discussion but the results seem to be the reverse. It gets WORSE.
Your assumptions are apparently wrong:

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...olice-violence


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The study also found that once a police department became about 40 percent black, the trendline flipped the more black officers a department has after that point, the less likely the incidence of fatal encounters with black people.
But it did also show that adding black officers could increase fatal encounters:

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Indeed, the researchers concluded that as the ratio of black officers in police departments rose up to a certain threshold so did the number of fatal encounters between officers and black residents.

The tipping point appears to be 25 percent.
08-13-2017 , 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by manbearpuig
Not possible. Hasn't it been established that racist people are lower iq and under educated? How is it possible that dumb uneducated people run the system?
Who said they ran the system? I'm sure there are some in leadership positions. I would guess that the smart racists may want to go into government so that they can live out their dreams.
08-13-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Iron Tamer
it is true you have to be highly educated to believe in falsities like systemic racism and white guilt
You do have to be literate to read the studies. You are probably too busy watching the woman from yesterday get killed over and over, but if you get a break, you should do a little research.
08-13-2017 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Your assumptions are apparently wrong:

http://www.npr.org/sections/codeswit...olice-violence

But it did also show that adding black officers could increase fatal encounters:
Lol at this nonsense bull**** "study". Yeah, we are well aware black officers are more likely to shoot a black suspect. They don't have the scrutiny that white officers do so they actually react the way they feel they need to more often. Your eyes puts police officers lives in danger solely due to their skin color. Who's the racist?

Lol at you and this bull****.

      
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