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08-12-2017 , 11:37 PM
the majority of people locked up are men. something like 95%.

is the criminal justice system systemically sexist? or do men commit a majority of the crimes?
08-13-2017 , 12:17 AM
Thread needs to be renamed Augie's armchair social science through anecdote.
08-13-2017 , 03:34 AM
And in the least surprising news ever the terrorist driving his car into innocent people was an alt-right scumbag. You must be so proud wil, Augie and sushy.
08-13-2017 , 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I don't know anything about Augie but he surely did not come off as a racist. He actually sounded very reasonable and patient. Your side did not.

It is no wonder why so many people despise you people. We all ****ing hate you morons.
yes. he very reasonably argued for the right to deny blacks from eating at your restaurant. he very reasonably argued that blm was a racist movement. and he very reasonably argued that trans ppl did not deserve to be given a certain modicum of respect and dignity.
08-13-2017 , 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
yes. he very reasonably argued for the right to deny blacks from eating at your restaurant. he very reasonably argued that blm was a racist movement. and he very reasonably argued that trans ppl did not deserve to be given a certain modicum of respect and dignity.
what is it like to be a standard, lying, misrepresenting leftist?

why don't you try being more honest and then you'll be a more moral person.
08-13-2017 , 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
And in the least surprising news ever the terrorist driving his car into innocent people was an alt-right scumbag. You must be so proud wil, Augie and sushy.
why do you think i'm proud of some racist murderer?

looks like psychological projection to me.
08-13-2017 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
what is it like to be a standard, lying, misrepresenting leftist?

why don't you try being more honest and then you'll be a more moral person.
I mean, those were not lies. they are accurate statements and use your exact words. and they do not even describe some of the more extreme positions that could be inferred from your posting.

you legit argued that restaurant businesses should be "free" to deny blacks from eating there. how is that in any way a misrepresentation?
08-13-2017 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
both of these scenarios describe the same action and aren't motivated by race.
Well, you can come up with scenarios. Any proof that they account for the disparity? Nope.

I'm sure they do contribute somewhat, but racism certainly accounts for some too. Research bears this out:

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One of the starkest disparities emerged in the prosecution of misdemeanor drug crimes like possession of marijuana or cocaine. The study found blacks were 27 percent more likely than whites to receive jail or prison time for misdemeanor drug offenses, while Hispanic defendants were 18 percent more likely to be incarcerated for those crimes.

The studyís authors, Besiki Luka Kutateladze and Nancy R. Andiloro, looked at five key points in a criminal case when prosecutors have significant discretion. They examined the prosecutorís decisions about which cases to accept, which to dismiss, what to recommend at bail hearings, what plea bargains to offer and what sentences to recommend.

Race turned out to be a statistically significant factor at every stage, save the initial decision to accept cases, the study found.
You believe that racism has ended based on zero evidence. The null hypothesis in a country with our history is that racism exists.
08-13-2017 , 10:00 AM
Prosecutor's in North Carolina use peremptory challenges to exclude black people from juries:

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We have documented the strike decisions and race for more than 7,400 potential capital jurors in 173 cases from 1990 to 2010. In every analysis that we performed, race was a significant factor in prosecutorial decisions to exercise peremptory challenges in jury selection in these capital proceedings. Regardless of how one looks at the data, a robust and substantial disparity in the exercise of prosecutorial strikes against black venire members compared to others persists.
08-13-2017 , 10:12 AM
i repeat again. i'll stand next to anyone against real examples of racism.

lawyers racially profiling juries is completely standard. happens in every case, ever. if a white lawyer intentionally picks mostly black jurors because his client is black, who will be crying racism then?

you can post individual acts of racism over and over and i might agree or disagree with you on the details of each case. but these individual acts can always be attributed to the racism or bad judgement of that person.

not to mention, the representation "solution" to this "problem" is completely racist itself and would never work. the city is 11% black so we must have 11% black cops, 32% hispanic so we must have 32% hispanic cops. how about whoever can pass the test, and wants to be a police officer, can be one? and then they hire the best candidates?

i could go digging and find a million articles of cops performing inter-racial acts of kindness. does that prove the justice system is completely race blind? no.
08-13-2017 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
i repeat again. i'll stand next to anyone against real examples of racism.

lawyers racially profiling juries is completely standard. happens in every case, ever. if a white lawyer intentionally picks mostly black jurors because his client is black, who will be crying racism then?

you can post individual acts of racism over and over and i might agree or disagree with you on the details of each case. but these individual acts can always be attributed to the racism or bad judgement of that person.

not to mention, the representation "solution" to this "problem" is completely racist itself and would never work. the city is 11% black so we must have 11% black cops, 32% hispanic so we must have 32% hispanic cops. how about whoever can pass the test, and wants to be a police officer, can be one? and then they hire the best candidates?

i could go digging and find a million articles of cops performing inter-racial acts of kindness. does that prove the justice system is completely race blind? no.
You are monumentally, astoundingly, and unapologetically poorly informed about the world and the mountain of research showing racial bias in the criminal justice stetem. I posted more than a dozen examples of research yesterday which you simply ignored.

You ignore them not because you are too stuoid to understand them but because you are too racist to accept their claim. You have made one overtly racist argument after another itt, over the past two days, and never once made a claim of concern over any type of discrimination EXCEPT discrimination against white racists.

Furthermore, it doesn't make you pause for one second that the terrorist who killed innocent people yesterday would be itt supporting every post you have made 100%. Your beliefs and his are nearly identical.

Yet given all this you are shocked and offended at being called a racist because to white men like you the only thing in the world that matters is supporting the centuries old system of racial hierarchy that has benefited you. You try to hide your support for this system behind screams of freedom and patriotism but your real motives are patently obvious.

I'm sure you think of yourself as a good person but you are on the wrong side of history and your actions are hurting people. These are not the actions of good people.
08-13-2017 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I mean, those were not lies. they are accurate statements and use your exact words. and they do not even describe some of the more extreme positions that could be inferred from your posting.

you legit argued that restaurant businesses should be "free" to deny blacks from eating there. how is that in any way a misrepresentation?
you want to be on the "right" side so badly that your only reaction to someone opposite you but who also has compassion is just to defame them. unbelievable that you would read my posts and then write something like "he doesn't think trans people deserve dignity." And then defend it by saying you "used my exact words."

you are an absolutely despicable liar and misrepresenter and anyone literate with two brain cells to rub together can go back and read my posts and they will see that.

honestly, and i mean this sincerely, you must be rotten to the core to come after me like that. you should probably look in the mirror. every single one of my posts regarding trans people was in their interest. sometimes things that are good for you can make you feel bad.

i'm sure it must be rough to discover you have a mental illness but your idea of kindness is to tell them their mental illness is actually true. seems like the opposite of kindness to me. i'd prefer that trans people stopped killing themselves at insanely massive rates.

yes, you deceptive truth corrupter, i argued a business should be allowed to hang a NO BLACKS sign in their door. and i also said i don't like racism, i wouldn't eat there, and i would hope that not a single person would eat there. but go ahead and paint me as a racist, you lie loving anti-moralist.

first of all, what kind of anti-racist would even want to eat there in the first place. you want him to take the sign down so you can be seen in public eating there?

this is a perfect example of how the left never stops virtue signaling. the sign is what's important to you, not the owners actual racism and the effect it would have on his business.

an owner who would hang this sign on his door would be crippling his business. he would get no black labor, no black customers, and no customers or labor who had a heart or soul.

or do you think a million racists will just come out of the woodwork and say "finally! the racist sub shop utopia i've been looking for! i'm coming here every day!"

get your ostrich head out of the sand and get a grip
08-13-2017 , 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
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08-13-2017 , 10:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
You are monumentally, astoundingly, and unapologetically poorly informed about the world and the mountain of research showing racial bias in the criminal justice stetem.
nope, you've been corrupted by leftist propaganda. sucks to be you.



for fun, let's pretend the justice system is massively racist. what's your solution?
08-13-2017 , 10:50 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
nope, you've been corrupted by leftist propaganda. sucks to be you.



for fun, let's pretend the justice system is massively racist. what's your solution?
And we have a winner. All the evidence counter to your beliefs is propoganda and fake news. This is the last defence of those who have no intellectual foundation for their ideas. You'll note this is never the defence of the left. Outside of economics, where the right is often on the correct side, there is no mountain of data and research to support the right. For social issues it all supports the left which is why the only defence can be fake news fake news fake news.

Once you play the fake news card there is no more debate. There is no reason to respond because all data and arguments are simply fake news.

The really sad thing is the right is often correct when it comes to economics and does some of the most solid research. They just have to drive the racist and bigots like you out of their party and you would never lose another election. I'd vote for that party for life and have done so here in Canada.

You are on the wrong side of history and will lose. We can let you have your last gasp and sputter but one day historians will write bemused books on the time that huge portions of the world once strongly argued in favor of bigotry and had the temerity to do so under the guise of freedom, pretending they didn't mean freedom for whites.
08-13-2017 , 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
And we have a winner. All the evidence counter to your beliefs is propoganda and fake news. This is the last defence of those who have no intellectual foundation for their ideas. You'll note this is never the defence of the left. Outside of economics, where the right is often on the correct side, there is no mountain of data and research to support the right. For social issues it all supports the left which is why the only defence can be fake news fake news fake news.

Once you play the fake news card there is no more debate. There is no reason to respond because all data and arguments are simply fake news.
black guy killed by white cop: national news story
black guy killed by black cop: *crickets*
white guy killed by white cop: *crickets*
white guy killed by black cop: *crickets*
08-13-2017 , 10:59 AM
oh, i forgot one.

black guy killed by (insert any other race here) cop: national news story
08-13-2017 , 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
black guy killed by white cop: national news story
black guy killed by black cop: *crickets*
white guy killed by white cop: *crickets*
white guy killed by black cop: *crickets*
As I said Augie's anecdote-based social science research thread.
08-13-2017 , 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
i repeat again. i'll stand next to anyone against real examples of racism.

lawyers racially profiling juries is completely standard. happens in every case, ever.
This is OUR argument. Yes, racism is common and systemic. Yes. YES!

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if a white lawyer intentionally picks mostly black jurors because his client is black, who will be crying racism then?
Firstly, You would, but besides that point, we are talking about prosecutors--lawyers for the STATE.

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you can post individual acts of racism over and over and i might agree or disagree with you on the details of each case. but these individual acts can always be attributed to the racism or bad judgement of that person.
Not sure what this has to do with anything. When the racist people hold positions of power, then the system is racially biased.

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not to mention, the representation "solution" to this "problem" is completely racist itself and would never work. the city is 11% black so we must have 11% black cops, 32% hispanic so we must have 32% hispanic cops. how about whoever can pass the test, and wants to be a police officer, can be one? and then they hire the best candidates?
No one proposes this solution. Hiring the best candidates is a great idea, as long as you consider an ability to connect with the community that is being policed an asset. I don't know why you wouldn't.

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i could go digging and find a million articles of cops performing inter-racial acts of kindness. does that prove the justice system is completely race blind? no.
Right, So on what evidence do you base your assertion that no discrimination exists?
08-13-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
No one proposes this solution. Hiring the best candidates is a great idea, as long as you consider an ability to connect with the community that is being policed an asset. I don't know why you wouldn't.
here is a demonstration of actual, real racism. unlike the false racism being accused of me.

"ability to connect with the community that is being policed is an asset"

it is an extremely racist idea that a police officer's skin color is an asset to his job. what does that say about the community that he's serving? that in a black community, the residents only want to see other black faces? in a hispanic community, the residents only want to see other brown faces? it would be really hard to be more racist toward the citizens of these communities.

i think the people you refer to would prefer to have the best possible cops working, regardless of race, so that when they call 911 someone less qualified doesn't show up who was hired because they are the correct skin color.

look in the mirror, it's hard to be more implicitly racist than that.
08-13-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Firstly, You would, but besides that point, we are talking about prosecutors--lawyers for the STATE.
hypothetical: let's say the state is prosecuting some guy who murdered his wife. the guy is black and his wife was white.

we want this guy in prison, yes?

the prosecutor determines that white jurors are MUCH more likely to convict this guy than black jurors.

would you not prefer that the state prosecutor attempts to make the jury as white as possible so we can put him in jail?
08-13-2017 , 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_
here is a demonstration of actual, real racism. unlike the false racism being accused of me.

"ability to connect with the community that is being policed is an asset"

it is an extremely racist idea that a police officer's skin color is an asset to his job. what does that say about the community that he's serving? that in a black community, the residents only want to see other black faces? in a hispanic community, the residents only want to see other brown faces? it would be really hard to be more racist toward the citizens of these communities.
Again, it seems like the problem is that right wingers don't know what racism is. Historically marginalized communities might not trust white people. When guys like Mark Furman sling around the N-word and the go on to be commentators on Fox News, it's pretty easy to see why African Americans might not trust white police officers or the power structure in general.

But you are missing the obvious thing here: even if black people had zero reason not to trust white police officers, having black officers would still be an asset to the job, right? So why would you want to hire inferior police officers just because they are white?
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i think the people you refer to would prefer to have the best possible cops working, regardless of race, so that when they call 911 someone less qualified doesn't show up who was hired because they are the correct skin color.
Again, you are acting like there is some truly objective definition for "best qualified"--but that definition doesn't involve actual assets that make people more effective police officers.

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look in the mirror, it's hard to be more implicitly racist than that.
Another tell. It's always the liberals who are the "real racists." Implicit bias is a bull**** concept until you just thought of a way to apply it to your political enemies. Now it matters.
08-13-2017 , 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Not sure what this has to do with anything. When the racist people hold positions of power, then the system is racially biased.
i agree, when a black man finally becomes president of the united states, that will probably solve things.

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Right, So on what evidence do you base your assertion that no discrimination exists?
i think discrimination exists.

i do not think the system is discriminatory by default, and in any ways that it still is, there's no moral way to correct it.

in america, a random black baby is going to be more likely to go to prison than a random white baby. this is due to a million factors, most of which can't be clearly identified.

there's no way for the government to take action to give black and white people the exact same outcomes, without blatantly favoring one racial group to the detriment of another.

people in favor of this want to literally institutionalize racism against white people. literally the exact same crime they want to prevent. the solution is just to institute it in reverse. chezlaw already admitted to this earlier in the thread. called it "positive discrimination," LOL, sounds like a moral solution.

if you've got another solution i'd be interested. this is the only one presented by the left other than saying "come on white people stop being so racist"
08-13-2017 , 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by augie_

in america, a random black baby is going to be more likely to go to prison than a random white baby. this is due to a million factors, most of which can't be clearly identified.
They can and have been defined over and over and over and over again in economic, sociology, anthropology, history and psychology research.

Your position is the intellectual equivalent of arguing climate change is not anthropogenic. It is simply based on your racism and not fact.

You cannot cite any evidence or research to back up your position because none exists.

It's faith pure and simple.
08-13-2017 , 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Again, it seems like the problem is that right wingers don't know what racism is. Historically marginalized communities might not trust white people. When guys like Mark Furman sling around the N-word and the go on to be commentators on Fox News, it's pretty easy to see why African Americans might not trust white police officers or the power structure in general.
yea, i already got it, you think that the entire black community is racist and that they can only be policed by people who look like them. hard to be more racist toward them than that. i believe that they can be policed by cops of any race.

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But you are missing the obvious thing here: even if black people had zero reason not to trust white police officers, having black officers would still be an asset to the job, right? So why would you want to hire inferior police officers just because they are white?
i don't. i don't understand how you can be this illiterate. i don't want race to be a factor at all. i want the best candidates to receive the jobs in every field.


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Again, you are acting like there is some truly objective definition for "best qualified"--but that definition doesn't involve actual assets that make people more effective police officers.
you think there's no objective criteria that people are judged on? you don't think a police hiring manager is able to determine which of their candidates is best qualified? have you ever been hired for anything, ever? on the application did you list some information to attempt to convince the employer to hire you? or did everyone just list their name, gender, and ethnic group?


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Another tell. It's always the liberals who are the "real racists." Implicit bias is a bull**** concept until you just thought of a way to apply it to your political enemies. Now it matters.
well you just got done writing that it would be better for the black community if they didn't have to see any white faces on their cops. it's hard to be more racist toward the black community than that. i think the black community can be successfully policed by officers of any color.

      
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