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How stats work in Augie's world,

White people make up 62% of the population but 49% of those killed by police.

Black people make up 13% of the population but 24% of those killed by police.

More evidence us white guys are so oppressed. If cops don't stop killing us at a massively under-represented rate how will our race survive!

How?

08-12-2017 , 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by 13ball

It isn't about numbers. It's about cops killing black people and then facing zero consequences. Meanwhile the right wing attacks the victims.

cops kill white people and face zero consequences also. cops are out of control. BLM is racist by asserting that there's wide scale racism among cops when they are killing everyone. not just black people.

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So they have an idiosyncratic definition of racism? They aren't advocating for white people to be discriminated against. You are delusional if you think BLM wants cops to kill white people or harass them the way black people are harassed. That's the stupidest strawman yet.

dude. you are a complete pro at attributing arguments to me that i never made. you could respond to the things i actually write, or continue being a dishonest dummy.

i could pull a million articles and tweets of BLM advocates advocating for white people to be discriminated against. but i won't waste my time because you can find it in two seconds if you look.

08-12-2017 , 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

the representation lie. stop being so dishonest.

cops patrol high crime neighborhoods more often (as they should). these high crime neighborhoods are predominately black. therefore, cops will encounter more black people on average.

they aren't out searching for black people. would you prefer cops patrol low crime areas at the same rate that they patrol high crime areas?

08-12-2017 , 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by augie_

i don't know what RWNJ is but you are incorrect about this. you want to be correct but you are just making stuff up.

there are plenty of parents, already today, who are activists on behalf of their transgender children. i read an article recently where a boy's parents are suing their school because it won't let him wear a dress and call him she.

You should tell us what virtues they should have instead of the ones they do have.

08-12-2017 , 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by 13ball

It isn't about numbers. It's about cops killing black people and then facing zero consequences. Meanwhile the right wing attacks the victims.

This is particularly stupid.

When white people are killed by cops they face penalties they wouldn't of the suspect was black?

Lol, I've never heard such a stupid thing.

08-12-2017 , 02:25 PM

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Okay tweets. So now it can be understood in context that the hashtag #blacklivesmatter can be used by billions of anyones.

08-12-2017 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

Blacks commit more crime. Even liberals admit this.

08-12-2017 , 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by augie_

Your racism is leaking out.

08-12-2017 , 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by augie_

OH MY GOD. A LEFTIST WHO DIDN'T TELL A LIE. thank you jesus.

no, it's not a necessary thing. the government does not need to guarantee an equal outcome for everyone by discriminating against certain groups based on skin color. they only need to guarantee an equal playing field. your individual outcome should depend on the things you do.

historically, they didn't have an even playing field. now they do.

when this chess game of america started, the white side had a bunch of extra pieces. now both sides are playing by the same rules. the white side still has a lot of extra pieces (because of their unfair start) and BLM would like to reach across the game board and slap a few pawns out of play. or maybe just turn the board over.

i'd prefer if both sides just played the game straight and honestly and followed the rules going forward.

I don't agree there is anything like a level playing field. The main reason I support positive discrimination is to help level that playing field.

We may disagree about the playing field but if for the purposes of argument you accepted that the field wasn't close to level then how would you view positive discrimination?

08-12-2017 , 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by batair

You should tell us what virtues they should have instead of the ones they do have.

seems kind of messed up to give children hormone treatment during puberty. i think they should wait until the kid is 18 and can advocate for themselves.

i don't think any of it should be illegal.

08-12-2017 , 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

Blacks commit more crime. Even liberals admit this.

I know hey. We should shoot some more. Help us oppressed whites MAGA.

08-12-2017 , 02:32 PM

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We have empirical evidence of discrimination against black people. The racist stop and frisk policy was explicitly endorsed in New York city. WARNING: SOME OF THOSE STUDIES WERE PRODUCED AT A COLLEGE, WHICH YOU ****ING HATE.

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i could pull a million articles and tweets of BLM advocates advocating for white people to be discriminated against. but i won't waste my time because you can find it in two seconds if you look.

So you ignore or are ignorant of the empirical research on racial bias, but you have TWEETS that prove something about BLM? You guys are all the same--predictably ignorant and utterly incapable of education.

08-12-2017 , 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

How stats work in Augie's world,

White people make up 62% of the population but 49% of those killed by police.

Black people make up 13% of the population but 24% of those killed by police.

More evidence us white guys are so oppressed. If cops don't stop killing us at a massively under-represented rate how will our race survive!

How?

You do not understand how stats work at all, yet you claim it's others who don't. As you say, blacks make up 13% while Whites make up 62%. Blacks commit 51% of all murders.

It's disproportianiate. That's because, as a group, black people commit more crime. That also means they go to jail more often.

What is hard to understand? You did step 1 and never went to step 2 or 3. Why? Because you don't understand how to interpret statistics? These numbers aren't debated, they are fact and well accepted. The reasons may be debated, but the results are not debated at all.

08-12-2017 , 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by 13ball

ok. i don't want there to be discrimination against black people.

discriminating against white people as a response is not a good response.

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lol. like the harvard study? what a load of crap.

ok let's pretend unconscious implicit bias is a real thing. how do you propose you eliminate a behavior that isn't even in the conscious mind?

supposedly, we don't even know we're doing it. let me go ahead and correct this behavior that's embedded deep in my subconscious.

08-12-2017 , 02:36 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

You do not understand how stats work at all, yet you claim others don't. As you say, blacks make up 13% while Whites make up 62%. Blacks commit 51% of all murders.

It's disproportianiate. That's because, as a group, black people commit more crime. That also means they go to jail more often.

What is hard to understand? You did step 1 and never went to step 2. Why?

More shooting of blacks! Save white men!

08-12-2017 , 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by augie_

cops patrol high crime neighborhoods more often (as they should). these high crime neighborhoods are predominately black. therefore, cops will encounter more black people on average.

they aren't out searching for black people. would you prefer cops patrol low crime areas at the same rate that they patrol high crime areas?

No, cops patrol where they're told to, and equally they leave certain neighbourhoods alone because they're told to. As former US Marshal Matthew Fogg relates. He asked his superior why they never swept the white areas, 'because the white kids do drugs too,' and was told, 'No, if you bust the judge's or the senator's daughter you lose your department budget for next year, so we just go after the black and Hispanic neighbourhoods.'

08-12-2017 , 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by augie_

ok. i don't want there to be discrimination against black people.

discriminating against white people as a response is not a good response.

lol. like the harvard study? what a load of crap.

ok let's pretend unconscious implicit bias is a real thing. how do you propose you eliminate a behavior that isn't even in the conscious mind?

supposedly, we don't even know we're doing it. let me go ahead and correct this behavior that's embedded deep in my subconscious.

Dong worry your bias is not unconscious nor implicit. It's out in the open.

08-12-2017 , 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Clovis8

More shooting of blacks! Save white men!

No one said this. I'm explaining why your use of "statistics" was laughable. You literally stopped at the point that supported your idiotic premise and cut out the rest.

You're wrong. You aren't just a little wrong, you're really wrong. The only thing I'm trying to figure out now is if you actually did it on purpose or that you're just dumb.

08-12-2017 , 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by 57 On Red

ok. so you would prefer that cops patrol high crime and low crime areas equally?

08-12-2017 , 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

You're wrong. You aren't just a little wrong, you're really wrong. The only thing I'm trying to figure out now is if you actually did it on purpose or that you're just dumb.

i don't think it's on purpose.

the leftist believes they are on the side of truth and justice so they just started lying about everything a long time ago because it serves the greater good.

now the lies are just part of the narrative which can't be deviated from. so they just spit them out like a monk reciting his prayers.

08-12-2017 , 02:46 PM

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You have repeatedly made accusations of lies and dishonesty and have only backed out them up with braggery and such as can be seen. So?

08-12-2017 , 02:47 PM

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I don't understand. It's common knowledge and has been verified after controlling for other factors. It's even been admitted to being correct from the left. Again, the REASONS for it can be argued, but the result is not argued anymore.

He should know this if he's going to make that tired, old claim.

I think we're actually moving backwards. Either that, or these new kids being brought up don't know a damn thing.

08-12-2017 , 02:52 PM

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I don't understand. It's common knowledge and has been verified after controlling for other factors. It's even been admitted to being correct. Again, the REASONS for it can be argued, but the result is not argued anymore.

He should know this if he's going to make that tired, old claim.

I think we're actually moving backwards. Either that, or these new kids being brought up don't know a damn thing.

It's you.