"tissue thin political view" is a great way to put it. the federal government should be tissue thin (with a bad ass army).

it's entirely based on protecting the rights of all of humanity, which includes the worst of it, yes. then it's up to individual interactions on the local level to maintain civility.

you seem to think the government needs to point a gun at people to make them act right. i'd just let them act right on their own.

Sure thing fool.

Well, I think we really should move on from this worthless troll augie_, and get this thread back on topic. Let's go back to square one.

This is our OP. What have we learned in the last 100k posts regarding these pesky & mysterious SJWers? Well, I think our resident expert on Freeze Peach Rites on Cumpuss, FoldnDark, best summed it up here...

For reference, this is <snip> of the Wikipedia article that several OSJers have quoted y/o linkeed...

because if men could have babies i would be against men aborting them also. not my fault nature or god designated women.

definitely not going to debate abortion with a group of dishonest people but i will give you my thoughts in one single post, never to be addressed again.

i'm not the boss of women. but women aren't the boss of fetuses. i think that 1-celled fetuses are people (you and I were a single cell for a bit) and therefore should be allowed to be born.

seriously, save the part where you say that a fetus is part of the woman's body (it isn't), the part where i want to control women or their reproduction (i don't), the part where women should get to make health choices (killing their child is not a health choice), save the part where you bring up the mom who has cancer and must abort her baby to save her own life. save all of your ******ed arguments because little babies shouldn't get killed when they could be born and put into foster care instead.

i would like to increase funding and support for foster care (including full legalization of gay adoption) in order to take care of these children. this would have to go hand in hand with subsidies for birth control pills and condoms. there would also have to be an increase in personal responsibility and the acceptance that sex isn't entirely risk free and that creating people is a side effect.

Why aren't you worried about Republicans rounding up people and transporting them to a different country? It seems like anyone who really cared for freedom wouldn't identify with an ideology that wishes to forcibly move people across borders.

And that aspect of the right wing in America has gotten worse.

Sure, but the womb is, right?

don't care about the womb, care about what's inside it.

ok, that was seriously my last post on abortion.

no, i'm not worried about that, but there are very few republicans who i would vote for in the first place. maybe like 2 or 3 that are serving now. and neither of them want to "round people up and transport them." i don't identify with that ideology so try not to be so insulting. what else shall you randomly accuse me of?

the only ideology that i identify with is to examine every issue on a case by case basis.

Oh? So you are not going to debate women when making laws exclusively about them?

Go ahead, brag some more...

i'm not going to debate anyone on this, man or woman, because it's completely pointless. i've heard all of the arguments and they all fall flat for me. nobody (including me) is actually looking for debate on this topic, they just want to express their views.

in my opinion, the only moral and logical argument for abortion is that it's a terrible and awful act but not all terrible and awful acts should be illegal. almost nobody pro-choice presents this argument. they have a pile of garbage arguments they cycle through.

ok, that was seriously my last abortion post.

You seem to be panicking about gender issues, but you don't care that families are being torn apart? It seems to me that freedom isn't very important to you after all.

Well then don't make stupid arguments like "The fetus isn't part of the woman's body." That's completely irrelevant since the fetus needs a woman's body to survive. Sounds like you haven't thought about the issue to any degree of depth at all.

I used it as an example of the tactics of leftists. People were trying to get Maher fired. He's a comedian, he says things that are out of line sometimes, but people should be able to understand where he's coming from. Also, from all reports he's deeply involved with black people in his personal life. None of them (the really famous ones), came to his defence.

Ice Cube saying he shouldn't use the N word is the absolute height of hypocrisy. Ice Cube did more damage to the black community than thousands of David Dukes ever could.

It's unfortunate that the entire left has somehow lost IQ points in the last few years. To have freedom, true freedom, you're going to have to put up with some hate. To have free speech, you will have to be offended by some speech. That's the way things work. That's how this ALL works, you dummy. You can't have one without the other.

Christ.

Since you are ignoring me anyways, I don't feel I'm asking you to go beyond your self imposed limit here.

This is a surprisingly non-standard RWNJ take on abortion, and a not particularly odious one at that. In fact, if there were an army of surrogate birth mothers, along with these presumed estates of foster care... so that a responsible couple, who just happened to get a defective condom, aren't punished by one of them having to carry child for nine months... it might even kinda be in hailing distance of something that might make sense.

No connection with the SJWers, of course.

So you are okay with women defending themselves against you since you are convicted past a point of being willing argue?

Who's family has been torn apart? Why do you think I want families to be torn apart. I just said I want to increase immigration with Latin America. STOP BEING SO DISHONEST AND ACCUSING ME OF THINGS THAT I DIDN'T SAY.


it's attached to the woman's body. a common pro-choice argument is that the fetus is the woman's body. i've thought about the issue 10x more than you and can make the pro-choice argument 10x better than you.

Everyone, notice the appeal to emotion in this statement. Lol, typical. "But bro.. families are being torn apart!"


I suspect idiocy like this is why people like him don't ever want to really discuss abortion, which is exactly why I don't want to discuss abortion either. It just makes my head hurt.

yea, but i won't respond.

Shouldn't you be off investigating pizzagate?

If only hard and social science didn't exist Augie's claims would make a lot of sense.

Lol

You are panicking about the left and talking about how ant-freedom they are. And your example is gender?

And apparently you don't even know that the government is forcing families apart? Sorry, but you sound extremely ignorant when it comes to real issues regarding freedom.

So women don't have the freedom to remove things attached to their body? That can be a consistent argument, but it is not really a pro-freedom argument.

So why object to being described as far right and sexist while those are your convictions?

It's pretty miserable that you'll never actually end abortions using prohibition. You already impose misery into those situations which are none your business just promoting the notion.

And imposed misery is the result of that prohibition enacted as recorded when and where it has already happened.

Misery, not from freedom but from direct, clear, and intentional imposition.

Hey guys, white nationalists are rioting in Virginia, but the LEFT is the real problem .

This racist moron seriously thinks this bull****.

BUT NEED I REMIND YOU ABOUT THE LEFT AND GENDER THINGS!

that one is the best one. frenzied feminists claiming science is on their side. that somehow science demonstrates a fetus is not a person. shows how deep down the rabbit hole of ignorance and ideology they've gone.

science gave us the insane technology that allows us to see the heartbeat of the fetus after only 21 days.

21 days is the point of the pregnancy when the feminist compares the fetus to a ball of snot.

who's being scientific?

Torch-carrying white nationalist mobs parading around the campus of a major university.

But they probably have good views on gender, so it's cool.