Will, the lord ruler of the moronic Right, has found the thread. Time to abandon ship.

There is no hope here anymore. It will be all pizza making molesters and fake mass child killings from here on out.

All debate is over.

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Clovis, get back in your crate and gnaw on some dog biscuits or something.

i don't know what RWNJ is but you are incorrect about this. you want to be correct but you are just making stuff up.

there are plenty of parents, already today, who are activists on behalf of their transgender children. i read an article recently where a boy's parents are suing their school because it won't let him wear a dress and call him she.

what's an OSJ?

amazing that you can't grasp the word leftist. if you've honestly never heard the term leftist, it means all of the media you consume is from left leaning sources. you should take in a conservative once in a while, they aren't as dumb as you think. i like how you're taking leftist as an insult, though. some nice psychological projection.

a leftist is someone who is left of center on the political spectrum. the person i'm referring to, and the person i'm looking for, is someone left of center on the political spectrum who will defend mainstream leftist positions on gender and transgenderism.

i can't use the word liberal because so many people who are left of center are not liberal. i am a liberal. i believe in maximum personal freedom and a government that protects and guarantees individual rights. because the left has moved so far to the left, people (even in this thread!) get to call me right wing because the center is toward the right side of where people are these days. i don't think liberal applies to anyone who voted for Bernie.

i can't use the word democrat because it's a collection of brain dead, power hungry, morally vacant politicians. i wouldn't insult someone like that. my god, who would self identify as a democrat.

so hopefully you understand now! i'm used to this kind of crap, so whatever. people just keep asking me for more and more detail without providing any kind of response or forming a thought of their own. you're only the 10,000th person to try to pull that one.

another person who is not aware of the mainstream left position on gender and transgenderism.

instead of crying strawman every time, it would be nice if someone would examine the positions of politicians on these issues. what is Bernie's position on 3rd wave feminism and the cutting edge of gender studies? because this **** is completely mainstream in the academic world. it's not my fault you are unaware of this.

so again, please find members of the democratic party, or Bernie, disavowing anything out of 3rd wave feminism or modern gender studies. one single interview of an elected democrat politician saying that gender studies is a load of crap.

standard. ad hominem, completely ignore content. close door of echo chamber.

So you can't answer the question. Good to know.

has the position really evolved, though? i think what really happened was that they won the war so everyone just kind of moved on from the LGB part of LGBTQIA+ (except to randomly and nonsensically cry homophobia against the first president to support gay marriage ahead of his inauguration)

the democrat party used to be the party of freedom but are they still today? i don't hear too much talk about freedom. it's ALL talk about discrimination. discrimination implies that they aren't protecting free choices, because everyone knows that free choices CAN be discriminated against.


i'm not sure that the position of the democrat party is that "we were lying for 30 years in order to do the right thing." seems like a pretty lazy post hoc explanation for the blatant contradiction between the old stance on homosexuality and the new position on transgenderism.

no, i'm just done googling articles for you lazy fools.

and like i mentioned in an earlier post, this stuff is completely mainstream in academic journals. i don't have access to those sorts of databases. you have to be in a college library or in their network.

I'm not sure if this is equivocation or just meaningless.

sorry for being unclear, i meant 40% average suicide rate which includes both pre and post transition. that is what the data shows.

they have collected data on post transition, which i already mentioned. goes up if you get discovered, goes down if you're passable.

Okay, so are we agreeing that transitioning has a generally positive affect on well-being? Because that's the thing that matters most when it comes to treatment.

But this isn't in the study you linked, so kind of need to see the relevant data here.

dude, you posted like two one liners and didn't contribute at all.

maybe just stay out of the thread completely instead of the tired old tactic of pot-shotting while not actually responding to the content in any way.

no, we don't agree. reading is hard so i'll repeat myself AGAIN.

it has a positive effect if you're a dude that makes an attractive girl. it has a negative effect if you're a dude that makes an ugly girl. there's also a high rate of regret after making the transition (i don't have the number on hand).

it's not clear at all that transitioning has a generally positive effect.

and what's true should probably factor in with what makes people feel good.

i'm fine with adults who want to change from a man to a woman.

i'm not fine with other adults telling her that she is ACTUALLY a woman and that her true gender is not related to her biological sex.

again, find a recent clip of an elected democrat politician talking about freedom as a general concept.

you won't. you will only find clips of them talking about freedom of group x from the oppression of group y. (spoiler, y is always "white" or "white men")

it's all discrimination talk all the time. 100%. sexism, racism. never defending the simple idea of freedom.

if the democrats were defending freedom, they would also defend the bakers who don't want to make the gay cake, not just the gay couple. good luck finding that democrat.

OSJers are defined as those who whine about SJWers. That's you.

I'm quite familiar with the traditional US left-right economic scale. You are chatting about something which, if I understand what you are saying, has absolutely zero, zilch, and nada connection to this traditional scale. The other issue is that you OSJers... every single last one of you fools... use this term "Leftist" in a completely different and incompatible manner.

OK, maybe this might help us. Could you please give some concrete examples of "Leftist" media -vs- "conservative" media.

Are you referring to the traditional US left-right economic spectrum above? Or is there some other, so far undefined and mysterious, "political spectrum" you are referring to?

In US usage, you are conflating two different and distinct meanings of the word "Librulz" here. In US usage it simply means "left of the centrists on the traditional US left-right economic scale". While in US usage "classic liberal" means all that other shiz you spewed.

What does this even mean? And once again... you keep claiming that this "Leftist" and "Rightist", in this newfangled way you use your words, has absolutely zero, zip, zilch to do with the traditional US left-right economic scale. So... how does "the left" move... what does that even mean? And what meaning are you trying to convey by saying this move was "to the left" or "to the right", etc/etc ???/?

Nobody understands WTF you mean by "Leftist". Until you explain that to peeps nobody... absolutely nobody... is going to be able to even formulate a response, or have anything to form any thoughts of their own about. So... the ball is in your court here fool.

It'd help if you actually attempted to clarify what you wish to chat about. For example, we still haven't got this very basic and simple Q answered after a whole day of asking...

When you say "Leftist" and "Rightist", you are discussing a scale that is completely orthogonal to the traditional US left-right economic scale. True or false ??

so radical leftists created trans ppl?

you have to be college educated to be that dumb

Okay, let me put it this way: The generally accepted practice in psychology (in developed nations like the US and Europe) is, after sufficient assessment, to assist in transitioning transgender people to their preferred gender. Before we get into a citation war, do you really think that all those psychology and medical professionals are doing this against the prevailing consensus on where the research is directing? I know there's dissent in any area, and psychology is prone to grey areas more than others, but we need to be clear that whatever you cite is not what is taken, on balance, by most professionals in the field. I'm not accusing you of this but I don't want to get to the same roadblock as with Jiggy where he called it all a leftist plot.

The problem is when you talk about freedom, literally everybody supports some freedom and opposes other freedom. So it's meaningless to me to say that "Democrats don't support freedom because they're against free choice". In these terms, only the purest anarchists support freedom.

well, there you have it. it is indeed a "you problem" as you just readily admitted.

You missed a few here Augie

How seamlessly this transitioned from virtue signaling leftist liberal snowflakes to "black people".

Yes, ABSOLUTELY! Psychologists today don't provide specific guidance for their patients and for good reason. They don't want to accidentally screw up their patient's life. They leave that up to the patient themselves.

So you aren't going to find a transgender therapist who decides on a case by case basis who should transition and who shouldn't. you might find one who will say you shouldn't transition, and the patient will know this from the start.

i do want to say again that it's a dark path no matter what the trans person chooses so i'm not pretending it's as easy as pop into a therapist and get some kind of prescription.


No, I don't oppose anyone's freedom and i'm not an anarchist. I think we should have a government. I think it should follow the constitution and the majority of power should be local, the rest on the state level, and very little power on the federal level with a bad ass military.

Neither the democrats nor the republicans are in favor of freedom. They are in favor of their various forms of their massive government control.

This is why I don't vote. I'm way more likely to get killed in a traffic accident on the way to the polling place than for any candidate I could support would win.

I'm only really worried about Bernie (or any other self proclaimed socialist) on economic policy. I'm worried about every single democrat on social policies. They have adopted very extreme policies on gender and sexuality which are insane. I think everyone should do whatever you want and the government should leave us alone. The democratic party is like the genitalia party and it's really creepy and weird. They are obsessed with legislating sexuality and genitalia, I can't understand it.

I'm most worried about the PC authoritarian from the left who is going to come after Trump is gone. The pendulum is going to swing back from Trump and whoever is there is going to be seriously against freedom.

I don't know what the best therapy is and I'm well aware that every form of treatment has extremely limited success. Like I said in another post, it's a dark path no matter what. I just think that attempting to treat it and living life as a cis gender person is probably an easier life even if the person feels its a lie.

What is the problem with a parent being an advocate for their child? Isn't that like one of their only jobs as a parent?

Once again, do you know what the current suggested treatment for gender dysphoria is? (Hint: The parents are totally following it, and the school isn't)