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08-09-2017 , 01:31 PM
The memo commits a lot of what future philosophers will call "Appeal to Chezness", in which the writer claims cutting out certain terms and using a whole bunch of the equivalent of "I'm not X but..." qualifiers somehow makes it a passing standard, and a shocked affectation can be taken when people suggest the writer might be hiding behind a thin veil.
08-09-2017 , 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Every single point he makes there and allows for a way to improve he follows up with a qualifier. "We could do X... I'm not saying that Google necessarily should, but that is one way." Again, of he isn't proposing solutions ( He isn't, all of his qualifiers contradict his supposed solutions) then what was the point of the screed other than "I am mad at the way that Google hires people, namely women, and here are some "scientific reasons" that women totally shouldn't represent more than the 1/3 of workers that are already represented at this company.
That's not what he's saying at all.

What he IS saying, is that Google's environment predominantly plays to male strengths. Maybe if we stopped that - and here are my suggestions, we'd have more women working here. He's not even suggesting lowering the standards - he's suggesting changing the standards.

What you're saying is:
"James is suggesting that Google measures employees by who can lift more weight. Since men are on average stronger than women, women don't belong here."

What James IS saying is:
"We do not need to measure who can lift the most weight in order to be the best Google we can be - it's irrelevant to being a good engineer.. Let's think of other ways to measure how we can be the best Google we can be - here are my ideas."
08-09-2017 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Sheesh.

You guys crack me up. You take everything so literally. Classic SJW trait, by the way.
Takings things literally is an SJW trait? What?
08-09-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Not in the memo.


Not in the memo


Not in the memo.

Allow me to remind you:

I tend to have serious concerns when policy or conclusions are driven by generalities defined as "on average".

It's the same exact argument SJW's make when pointing to the disproportionate impact crack laws have on black people, while ignoring the disproportionate impact opioids and meth have on white people, in order to label the tough on crime bull**** of the 80's as racist.
08-09-2017 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
Takings things literally is an SJW trait? What?
Yep. Dead giveaway. That and no sense of humor.

And if it's not in a peer reviewed journal, it doesn't exist.
08-09-2017 , 04:20 PM
By the way, Clovis hasn't been let out of his crate today.

Must have been a naughty boy.
08-09-2017 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Religious and right gossip about transgender people openly discredits both religious and right. Personally chose straight off an abyss of talking about genitalia of others and greatness slogan chain email bot troll discriminators hooking for partisans and bathroom-scared folks.
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Originally Posted by 6ix
Which sentence is giving you trouble, the 1st or the 2nd?

Here's the 1st:




See religious people.
See religious and right-wing people.
See the gossip from religious and right-wing people.
See the gossip about transgender people from religious and right-wing people.
Gossip, religious and right-wing people, gossip.

See the gossip discredit both religious and right-wing people and ideologies.
Discredit, gossipers, discredit.

The 2nd sentence would take much longer to do in this style but master's response focuses on it. You should be able to work backwards.
The 1st sentence is fine.

"Personally chose straight off an abyss of talking about genitalia of others and greatness slogan chain email bot troll discriminators hooking for partisans and bathroom-scared folks."

I get the general gist here but I wouldn't exactly call this comprehensible.
08-09-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
In general, I am. I'm pro-At Will state as I think Unions in general are worse for productivity than a benefit.

That said - if I 'effectively' sign an employment agreement with you with handbook that encourages "diversity of thought" and openness, and you break that agreement (or just outright lie about your principles), then there could be a case for punishment.

Really I'm just hoping the market takes care of this. I imagine Google will have a tough time attracting other talented employees considering they just told 50% of the marketplace to go **** themselves.
I've been trying to ignore your spew but looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo
Spoiler:
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08-09-2017 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
The 1st sentence is fine.



"Personally chose straight off an abyss of talking about genitalia of others and greatness slogan chain email bot troll discriminators hooking for partisans and bathroom-scared folks."



I get the general gist here but I wouldn't exactly call this comprehensible.


It is.
08-09-2017 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 6ix
Ok, so;



Here's the amazing thing about Jiffly's 'insult' that Clovis is a dog:




Even if Clovis wasn't posting actual English sentences, merely posting at all would be amazing for an actual canine. If the posts read "klasjdfnvdsiah;sdlfadjfafjd" and the like, he still had to click multiple buttons to actually reply and submit the post! So, already we're dealing with a level of intelligence and motor dexterity never seen before from a dog.

However, Clovis is posting actual English sentences! I've seen some smart dogs in my day but that would be off the charts by dozens of orders of magnitude.

Let's fully set the scene.

Jiggly has, quite literally, the most intelligent canine ever witnessed, trying to converse with him, and what does he do?

He derides and mocks the creature, and refuses to engage in favor of the oh so much more important task of POSTING RIGHTWING SJW UTUUBZ!

Incredible.




Now, does Jibby actually think Clovis is an actual canine? Probably no.

Does anybody else think Jicky thinks Clovis is an actual canine? Also, probably no.

But, in one of the more bizarre examples I've ever seen, this illustrates just how little he thinks (which, to be fair, could still be ALL his thinking) anything through before he posts, even something that could and should be an easy 'joke' or 'insult'. Of all the ways to express his idea, he picked the one that required him to look the most ridiculous. The working component and main moving part of his 'insult' is that he himself is so intellectually incurious and bankrupt that when faced with an actual canine that can operate a computer and type coherent English, he is completely flummoxed. Intellectual curiosity just doesn't look like anything to him.

2 other thoughts:

1. I wonder if all those rural UFO sightings actually happened, and an alien touched down to make first contact but, upon being accused of talking like a 'lefty f*g' and hearing the human scream 'MAGA' over and over, it simply said F IT and went off to find another planet with potentially intelligent life.

2. I wonder if Jibbly has ever even tried to analyze anything as thoroughly as I have half-assedly here with his lame and failed 'joke'. I've officially given up on convincing people that, hey, thinking can sometimes be fun.
08-09-2017 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
I've been trying to ignore your spew but looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooo
Spoiler:
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
oooool
ya that was pretty amazing. the other guy advocating shorting google stock in about year. that was great too.

I had always thought that these guys were just trolling and didnt actually believe the stuff they said and were just angry and trying to score points. other than wil ofc. but man, they actually do believe it. I cant wrap my head around it.
08-09-2017 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
lol at the dumb people who believe this.

It's illegal to hire a less-qualified candidate? What if you want to pay someone less? Who decides what "qualified"" means?
I don't know anything about California employment laws, but surely you could determine someone discriminated in favor of minorities in exactly the same way you'd determine that they discriminated against minorities.
08-09-2017 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Everyone concedes that.




No. He was fired for saying that men and women are different in these specific ways, that these differences are important to the company's success, that these differences are biological and immutable and explain any disparity in hiring or wages. And then he concludes that direct attempts at increasing diversity are discriminatory unless that diversity means more conservatives. Then you can discriminate all you want.

Yeah, I mean, the whole thing was mostly bull**** but that last part is what took it over the line into this-isn't-even-worth-taking-seriously territory.
08-09-2017 , 06:09 PM
Like, I hate to break it to you deplorables but that's the main reason nobody here really had/has any interest in debunking the thing point by point. If you guys put forth a general notion about this specific form of workplace 'discrimination' then Damore is hurting your case if his memo is thoroughly dissected.

We thought we were being nice.
08-09-2017 , 06:11 PM
If you want to say people like Time Cube Guy are discriminated against at institutions of higher learning, it's probably a good idea to NOT really explore what Time Cube Guy himself is specifically saying.
08-09-2017 , 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
The memo commits a lot of what future philosophers will call "Appeal to Chezness", in which the writer claims cutting out certain terms and using a whole bunch of the equivalent of "I'm not X but..." qualifiers somehow makes it a passing standard, and a shocked affectation can be taken when people suggest the writer might be hiding behind a thin veil.
x-post

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Originally Posted by Riverman
Mein Kampf had some creepy undertones guys

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Originally Posted by 6ix
But, to be fair, Hitler did end it by channeling his inner Paul Reiser with, "Look, I'm not saying we should kill all the Jews, I'm just saying..."
08-09-2017 , 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
That's not what he's saying at all.

What he IS saying, is that Google's environment predominantly plays to male strengths. Maybe if we stopped that - and here are my suggestions, we'd have more women working here. He's not even suggesting lowering the standards - he's suggesting changing the standards.

What you're saying is:
"James is suggesting that Google measures employees by who can lift more weight. Since men are on average stronger than women, women don't belong here."

What James IS saying is:
"We do not need to measure who can lift the most weight in order to be the best Google we can be - it's irrelevant to being a good engineer.. Let's think of other ways to measure how we can be the best Google we can be - here are my ideas."

Damn Jiffy, so close to not making yet another gloriously stupid post.

Just switch those two bolded items and you're golden.
08-09-2017 , 06:33 PM
As long as he said "Not all Jews" I think he's in the clear.
08-09-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by TiltedDonkey
The 1st sentence is fine.

"Personally chose straight off an abyss of talking about genitalia of others and greatness slogan chain email bot troll discriminators hooking for partisans and bathroom-scared folks."

I get the general gist here but I wouldn't exactly call this comprehensible.
Then I think it might just be a subjective taste situation.

We have our Ernest Hemingways and we have our James Joyces, and everything in between. Oddly enough I'm not a fan of actual Joyce but I am a fan of Joyceian posters.

The real problem is a lack of copy editors. A typo or autocorrect in a Joyceian post could totally gum up the works.

You might get a kick out of this:

https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles/...uper-bowl-xlii


James Joyce


Thusly and thricely slaked he uptrod the spiral staircase and fancied for himself only a briny frieze.

— Give out, Jesuit, or forever in peace may you lie.

Sardonic, sardonic was the smile then adopted. It can twist forever (if the vicars will allow, if the oxen pull the plow).

— Dearly beloved, he quipped through shut mouth, did not Rapunzel cry from on high?

She skipped with a slow whistle to the first stone slab. As at Young Colin’s, on the eve of Fata Morgana, all rose quietly. How could it be remiss?

Thanatopsis. Requiescat In Pace.


Prediction: Unclear




My list of favorite spanktbw posts would get too lengthy, but this was a recent gem, emphasis mine.

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
That was some pathetic flailing yesterday by the regime squad. Altzi shock, but have nothing to strike awe.
08-09-2017 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
As long as he said "Not all Jews" I think he's in the clear.
Well obv not ALL Jews, come on. That would just be bananapants crazytown.
08-09-2017 , 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Yep. Dead giveaway. That and no sense of humor.

And if it's not in a peer reviewed journal, it doesn't exist.
Another hallmark of the right is they think the funniest thing on earth is racism. Those minorities just can't take a joke.
08-09-2017 , 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
Another hallmark of the right is they think the funniest thing on earth is racism. Those minorities just can't take a joke.
No, the funniest things are earth are dogs on the internet. Everyone knows this. Glad someone let you out though - we were getting worried.
08-09-2017 , 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
The memo commits a lot of what future philosophers will call "Appeal to Chezness", in which the writer claims cutting out certain terms and using a whole bunch of the equivalent of "I'm not X but..." qualifiers somehow makes it a passing standard, and a shocked affectation can be taken when people suggest the writer might be hiding behind a thin veil.
You're too kind but the PC movement in the UK really get's the credit.

Although you missed the point. What the writer claims about themselves is of no relevance to chezzing or being PC.
08-09-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
No, the funniest things are earth are dogs on the internet. Everyone knows this. Glad someone let you out though - we were getting worried.
I applaud your commitment to this "joke" that wasn't funny the first time. Maybe the 15th time is when it becomes a gut buster. Fingers crossed.
08-09-2017 , 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Clovis8
I applaud your commitment to this "joke" that wasn't funny the first time. Maybe the 15th time is when it becomes a gut buster. Fingers crossed.
You're misinterpreting me. I said dogs on the internet are funny, I didn't say they had a sense of humor.

      
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