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08-09-2017 , 10:46 AM
Right now millions of alt-right bros are frantically trying to find altavista.
08-09-2017 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Here's the law:
CHAPTER 5. Political Affiliations [1101 - 1106] ( Chapter 5 enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90. )

1101.
No employer shall make, adopt, or enforce any rule, regulation, or policy:

(a) Forbidding or preventing employees from engaging or participating in politics or from becoming candidates for public office.

(b) Controlling or directing, or tending to control or direct the political activities or affiliations of employees.

(Enacted by Stats. 1937, Ch. 90.)
Cool, which of these did Google violate? Did they prevent him from running for any office or partcipating in any public politics? Did they control his activities or affiliations?

Hmmm, nope. They sure didn't. Thanks for posting the evidence against your idiot ramblings.
08-09-2017 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Cool, which of these did Google violate? Did they prevent him from running for any office or partcipating in any public politics? Did they control his activities or affiliations?

Hmmm, nope. They sure didn't. Thanks for posting the evidence against your idiot ramblings.
This lawyer seems to believe that they are controlling his political affiliations and actions. But you're a fool, so I can understand how myopic you are.

He doesn't have to run for office, moron.
08-09-2017 , 11:07 AM
Try working for a conservative boss. Some are as soft as trump and have all kinds of words they will police you for.
08-09-2017 , 11:15 AM
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Originally Posted by batair
Try working for a conservative boss. Some are as soft as trump and have all kinds of words they will police you for.


'Don't talk about your spouse. Don't call yourself a woman.
You can't worship that.
Your fired for dancing. We don't just don't traditionally believe in that.'
08-09-2017 , 11:28 AM
'Give birth or else'.
08-09-2017 , 11:37 AM
Criticizing their president and politics gets the boxers bunched most.
08-09-2017 , 11:39 AM
This is just hilarious.

1. The deplorables have completely jettisoned any meaning behind "Leftist" & "Rightist". To them, it's simply a matter that things they don't like are called "Leftist", and their team is the "Rightists". That's it.

2. This leads them to the LOL-tastical spectcle of these arch conservatives calling the owners of F500 companies "Leftists", while LOL-tastically chatting up employee speech rights in the private workplace, and the wonders of governmental interference in the form of the NLRB.

3. Do these deplorables have any policy recommendations? LMFAO at anyone who said "maybe?". Of course they do not. They aren't interested in any general principles... like actually partially extending the US 1st-A into the workplace. Instead it just makes them so mad when they hear shiz they don't like... like when peeps are mean to their fellow deplorables. They don't GAF about anyone or anything else.

4. The perfect example of the above was the deplorable reaction to C.Kaepernick & his fellow NFLers spewing their politics at the NFL workplaces. They were all 100% against that speech in those workplaces.

5. This whole non-news interlude should make it obvious to all who aren't drinking this OSJer/SJWer koolaid... that this whole "PC Police run amok"/OSJer-v-SJWer/Phree Screech Rites/Milo/Cultural Marxism/etc/etc isn't really politics at all. None of this stuff is policy related. None of this stuff is actionable. Nobody is ever going to "do something" about this stuff. None of this stuff even makes a lick-o-sense.

It's a politics themed entertainment product. Pure & simple.

Last edited by Shame Trolly !!!1!; 08-09-2017 at 11:51 AM.
08-09-2017 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
At every single one, if I as a vendor had used the company intranet to spread that manifesto, I'd have been banned & barred from the site.
Same goes for the pizza delivery guy. How is your hypothetical at all relevant? He was an employee, not a vendor.

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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
If back then an employee had written that manifesto on the clock y/o spread it on the company intraweb, they would have been fired on the spot.
Did he write it on company time? Honestly don't know, but hadn't heard that.

Do you really think if an employee wrote a manifesto, even on company time, that called for more diversity, or was critical of sexual harassment at Google (if that was a problem) that Google would have reacted similarly? I doubt it.

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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
The issue isn't the content of the fool's manifesto... although that is surely odious enough it's own right. The issue is shiz like this manifesto are simply unprofessional. As such, they have absolutely -zero- place in the workplace.
First, see above.

Second, I read the manifesto, and even if you disagree with some of his conclusions, he ultimately said that diversity of thought is more valuable than diversity of gender or race. You might disagree with that (I don't), but it hardly raises to the level of odious. You seem to take pride in not having read the very thing you're ranting about. Why? It takes 15 minutes.

Perhaps it was unprofessional. You'd have to be familiar with Google's culture to make that assessment.

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Originally Posted by Shame Trolly !!!1!
Some jobs have different demands than software engineering. In particular, some jobs are statistically more dangerous. I oftentimes had the pleasure to be sent into a factory in the aftermath of industrial maimings and death. In these kinda jobs, we have a little thing we call "Safety Culture".

Nobody would want to work with this fool on the factory floor, because the #1 overriding principle of Safety Culture is teamwork. Everyone on the floor needs everyone else on the floor to have their back... boss, worker, male, female. This fool fails that test.
What a hero. The fact is most people don't work in jobs where lives are on the line. He was writing code, not on the front lines in Aleppo. This whole part of your post is irrelevant masturbation.
08-09-2017 , 12:18 PM
Diversity of race and gender IS diversity of thought. This is the completely obvious non-secret the alt-right likes to pretend is not true even though there is a mountain of social science research demonstrating it.
08-09-2017 , 12:27 PM
It can be, and diversity based on gender and race is good, I think the manifesto said that explicitly.

You're also conceding that men and women are inherently different. Another main point of the manifesto.
08-09-2017 , 12:32 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14

conceding that men and women are inherently different.


Why does that need to be conceded?
08-09-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Why does that need to be conceded?
Saying that will get you fired at Google. You should read the memo.
08-09-2017 , 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Saying that will get you fired at Google. You should read the memo.


Saying what? You shouldn't use the word should when addressing yours truly.
08-09-2017 , 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
Same goes for the pizza delivery guy. How is your hypothetical at all relevant? He was an employee, not a vendor...
I included both vendors and employees in my example. Sure, it's a hypothetical, in a sense. But again... I'm not just making this shiz up... that kinda manifesto will always get you fired at pretty much any company. If you are focusing on something particular about Google, you are missing the forest for a tree.

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... Do you really think if an employee wrote a manifesto, even on company time...
Since I keep saying exactly that... that this kinda manifesto will universally get peeps fired... well, yes. For the 1000th time... the alleged content of the manifesto doesn't matter in the slightest.

There are different standards for what is appropriate at a worksite -vs- shiz like Politardia. What the dude spewed was unprofessional. Flat out. It has -zero- place at work.

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... He was writing code, not on the front lines in Aleppo. This whole part of your post is irrelevant masturbation.
I didn't do production work on the factory floor. Those folks are the heroes. Coding is arguably more dangerous work than what I did (apart from the huge part of my job that was coding). See carpel tunnel, deep vein thrombosis, and loss of vision.

The point, which I'll admit was aimed that way, went way over your head. On the factory floor cowboys are dangerous, but they are also counter-productive. It isn't some kinda video game I'm the best free for all out there. But... it works the same way in the office cubicles too... without the overriding safety concerns.

Cowboys, like this fool, imagine it's some kinda video game I'm the best coder free for all being waged cubicle to cubicle. It is not. The dude needs to put down Atlas Shruggled, and pick up The Mythical Man-Month. The key to success in large scale IT work is... person-2-person communication skills. The very stuff this fool dismisses as a woman's weakness.

Sad.
08-09-2017 , 12:44 PM
Saying what to whom?

What does whom say to who said what?
08-09-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
But Google boy is using absolutes, he is generalizing to all women, that's the problem and why he was fired.
Yeah, these OSJer fools got two problems here. The first, and less catastrophic, is that their "science" is pure junk.

The second, and completely fatal, problem is that they're pushing a logical fallacy here. They are, of course, trying to pull off an is-ought.

There's no need for them to wade off into the toxic weeds of junk science here. The fact that they are so happy to do so is telling. If they really just wanted to make their "point" that chicks & dudes are different... all they gotta say is chicks can squeeze out kids, while dudes cannot. Nobody is going to argue about that. "Point" made.

What these deplorables then are going on to "prove" is that since chicks & dudes are different (the "is"), then /QED they should be treated different (the "ought"). Sad.
08-09-2017 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Why does that need to be conceded?
It shouldn't need to be. I find it completely obvious. But if you believe that, then it might lead you to believe a few other things that don't quite fit the narrative several of you hold so dear.
08-09-2017 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
It shouldn't need to be. I find it completely obvious. But if you believe that, then it might lead you to believe a few other things that don't quite fit the narrative several of you hold so dear.
Such that because men and women are different women should have less opportunities at certain positions?

The point of the manifesto was not that the culture of Google hiring should change in order to include more women and that maybe engineering as a profession needs to go through radical changes, but that because the job of engineering is built a certain way, women are less applicable for it.

He is specifically stating that women SHOULD have less opportunities in engineering because of their differences.

Nobody is disagreeing with the statement that women are different. We are disagreeing with the conclusions drawn from such statement
08-09-2017 , 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
It shouldn't need to be. I find it completely obvious. But if you believe that, then it might lead you to believe a few other things that don't quite fit the narrative several of you hold so dear.

Oh, dear narratives, I see. And beliefs, wow. Like being surprised about tight fits. But no clothes doesn't have fits at all.


Human Resources does or doesn't need to know that you think of customers, peers, and coworkers like this or like that depending on your job's description narrative.
08-09-2017 , 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
Such that because men and women are different women should have less opportunities at certain positions?
Not in the memo.

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The point of the manifesto was not that the culture of Google hiring should change in order to include more women and that maybe engineering as a profession needs to go through radical changes, but that because the job of engineering is built a certain way, women are less applicable for it.
Not in the memo

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He is specifically stating that women SHOULD have less opportunities in engineering because of their differences.
Not in the memo.

Allow me to remind you:

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Non-discriminatory ways to reduce the gender gap
Below I'll go over some of the differences in distribution of traits between men and women that I
outlined in the previous section and suggest ways to address them to increase women's
representation in tech without resorting to discrimination. Google is already making strides in
many of these areas, but I think it's still instructive to list them:
● Women on average show a higher interest in people and men in things
○ We can make software engineering more people-oriented with pair programming
and more collaboration. Unfortunately, there may be limits to how
people-oriented certain roles at Google can be and we shouldn't deceive
ourselves or students into thinking otherwise (some of our programs to get
female students into coding might be doing this).
● Women on average are more cooperative
○ Allow those exhibiting cooperative behavior to thrive. Recent updates to Perf may
be doing this to an extent, but maybe there's more we can do.
○ This doesn't mean that we should remove all competitiveness from Google.
Competitiveness and self reliance can be valuable traits and we shouldn't
necessarily disadvantage those that have them, like what's been done in
education.
● Women on average are more prone to anxiety
○ Make tech and leadership less stressful. Google already partly does this with its
many stress reduction courses and benefits.
● Women on average look for more work-life balance while men have a higher drive for
status on average
○ Unfortunately, as long as tech and leadership remain high status, lucrative
careers, men may disproportionately want to be in them. Allowing and truly
endorsing (as part of our culture) part time work though can keep more women in
tech.
08-09-2017 , 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
...Nobody is disagreeing with the statement that women are different. We are disagreeing with the conclusions drawn from such statement
Again, all "ought" conclusions allegedly drawn from any "is" are logical fallacies. Flat out.



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Originally Posted by Wikipedia
The is–ought problem, as articulated by Scottish philosopher and historian David Hume (1711–76), states that many writers make claims about what ought to be on the basis of statements about what is. Hume found that there seems to be a significant difference between positive statements (about what is) and prescriptive or normative statements (about what ought to be), and that it is not obvious how one can coherently move from descriptive statements to prescriptive ones. The is–ought problem is also known as Hume's law, or Hume's guillotine...
08-09-2017 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Not in the memo.


Not in the memo


Not in the memo.

Allow me to remind you:


Are you Cherry-picking the memorial ? You don't have an interpretation of your own?
08-09-2017 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by auralex14
You're also conceding that men and women are inherently different. Another main point of the manifesto.
Everyone concedes that.


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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Saying that will get you fired at Google. You should read the memo.
No. He was fired for saying that men and women are different in these specific ways, that these differences are important to the company's success, that these differences are biological and immutable and explain any disparity in hiring or wages. And then he concludes that direct attempts at increasing diversity are discriminatory unless that diversity means more conservatives. Then you can discriminate all you want.
08-09-2017 , 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JiggyMac
Not in the memo.


Not in the memo


Not in the memo.

Allow me to remind you:
Every single point he makes there and allows for a way to improve he follows up with a qualifier. "We could do X... I'm not saying that Google necessarily should, but that is one way." Again, of he isn't proposing solutions ( He isn't, all of his qualifiers contradict his supposed solutions) then what was the point of the screed other than "I am mad at the way that Google hires people, namely women, and here are some "scientific reasons" that women totally shouldn't represent more than the 1/3 of workers that are already represented at this company.

      
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