She means institutionalized racism. Why are you obsessed with labeling people as 'racist'?

How do you know what she means? If a white guy was attacked by a black guy because of the color of his skin would she call that a racist attack?

I remember allot of media outlets and BLM members were refusing to call the kidnapping of that disabled white guy a few months ago racist which leads me to that some of the more militant BLM members dont mean institutionalized racism when they are parroting this point. It was clear from watching the footage that race did have a factor in the attack though.

I didnt label anyone as racist btw.

Everyone is racist to some degree. Admitting it and trying to work on it is the first step.

The reason I called it a "framing" rather than "the random opinion of a person on twitter" is because it's not the first time I've seen this expression used.

For example, if you google "black people can't be racist" you'll find a spate of articles from more conservative sources expressing outrage at a CNN contributor making a similar claim last year, like this one.

It's pretty clear from the context ("institutional power") that Hill is using "racism" to mean "institutional racism" in a way similar to what I said. So, when I see this person on twitter using the same language, I infer that she's using the same reasoning.

As an aside, I really am kind of disturbed by people with like 100k tweets. Those people who I assume have a higher % of being deranged than the general public kind of baffle me, and it exists on both extremes of the partisan political spectrum.

I went down the rabbit hole a few times, and seeing like GodMomAK47 and her 140,000 tweets of insanity just kind of blew me away.

Twitter has given a platform to crazyness, an instant echo chamber to reinforce any belief system or rejection of fact and rationality, as well as instant access to any "enemies" to either attack or be outraged by.

With how uninformed and propagandized the masses are already, I think that twitter/facebook as a whole is a net negative for humanity in terms of informed discourse and rational thought.

Because she mentioned institutional examples.




But you want to, that's the point. She's not saying it's OK to kidnap white people.

I want to paint her as racist ? Why do you think that? She might be but I dont really know her well enough to comment.

Yea i never said that she thought it was ok to kidnap white people , where are you getting this from?

Im just saying if she or anyone else for that matter thinks that you can assault a white person because of their race and its not a racist attack because they are white then their opinions are wrong and also dangerous.

I dont know if she thinks that but her tweets are factually wrong and she should be more careful when throwing out statements like that as it will actually hurt BLM in the long run.

I do know that around the time of that kidnapping and alot of people people connected to BLM were refusing to call it a racist attack because the victim was white.

The same can be said for 2+2.

Eh, forums been used forever and only by a minor subset of the population with a minimal barrier of entry.

Everyone and their crazy mother can hop on twitter or facebook and find themselves deep in their own extreme and crazy echo chamber.

So many of these people are straight up disturbing:

https://twitter.com/EJLandwehr
https://twitter.com/TerreBehlog

'Merica

I rarely use FB much so my exposure to the crazy there is usually through friends and family but I assume it is just as bad if not worse on account of more old people than twitter as well as specific groups people can subscribe to that are just spamming them crazy memes and videos.

Brunch: An Allegory of White Supremacy
https://medium.com/@absurdistwords/b...d5e#.yt6cw8v7y

Meh.

I'm half-Polish.

If I were to ***** and moan about the fact that family members of mine suffered at the hands of Germans and Russians during the war (with my Grandfather being a gulag survivor) and that I was owed reparations, I'd be laughed at and told to get over it.

Blacks in America and the UK are never going to start reaching parity until they get over their victim mentality like other minorities have done.

Oh really?

Rundle Won't Charge Prison Guards Who Allegedly Boiled Schizophrenic Black Man to Death
http://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/fl...-death-9213190

Ding ding ding. We have a winner for the single dumbest thing ever posted on 2+2. Congrats you have set the stupid bar so high it will not likely ever be surpassed.

-Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr.
Letter from a Birmingham Jail
https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/k...irmingham-jail

Meh. Most people agree with me rather than you.

They don't even get angry either.

They just roll their eyes and get on with it.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...-for-two-hours

So if we look at a more reputable news site (and a lefty one at that) they say...

"Several witnesses said Rainey’s skin appeared to be peeled back or reddish in some spots — one inmate claimed he looked like a “boiled lobster” — but an autopsy found this “slippage” was most likely caused by friction or pressure on his moist and warm skin. This could have happened during efforts to revive him, such as chest compressions, or when officers carried him out of the shower initially, the memo said."

And the medical examiner said...

"The medical examiner, Emma Lew, attributed Rainey’s death to a combination of his schizophrenia, heart disease and confinement in the small shower space. She said schizophrenic people can have nervous system reactions that trigger a heart attack if they have an underlying condition."

Sounds like your news site is exaggerating.

It's just not how it works. Police shootings keep happening, mass incarceration continues to happen, voter suppression continues to happen where one political party disenfranchises African Americans systematically in order to prevent them from having a voice in politics. The only way to make progress on these issues is to fight back, and to fight strong. How is just ignoring the problem going to make it go away?

jfc learn to read

Not sure how great the example you chose is considering the german government has paid considerable sums in reparations over the years.

But really - how often do you hear black people on the news demanding reparations for things that happened generations ago? It's a tiny minority of civil rights activists.

Probably more a sign of the company you keep than the merit of what you're saying.

When you say that the thing that's holding them back is that they're playing the victim all you're doing is dismissing the grievances and suggesting that the reason they're doing worse in terms of x/y/z is primarily because they have some innate character flaw and not a combination of sociological factors.

And then somehow the same people who argue this always seem to be adamant in refusing to accept that racism even exists.

Would you tell them to get over it and laugh at the people alive today who lived under Jim Crow and ask for reparations for laws that where racists and held them back?

Um, they still murdered a schizophrenic person by triggering those responses. Whether he was boiled or sent into a nervous system panic due to unconscionable actions by the guards shouldn't remove them from consequence

If by "most people" you are not including the entirety of the sociology, history, pychology, criminology, economics and political science professions.

There is literally not a shred of evidence for your position. None. No study of any kind has ever reached your conclusion. None. Not one.

This position exists in one place; in the minds of racist white people. That's it. Nowhere else.

There is more evidence that dragons exist then there is for your position.

So what did you mean by this?

einbert, what does this have to do with the post you were responding to (shown below)?

How do people know so little as to think Germany didn't pay reparations after WW2? I mean, the Greeks will tell you how screwed they feel by it, but come on, don't tell me that it wasn't a thing that was demanded and to some extent provided.