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03-08-2017 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackHorsey
Did you actually watch Malkins show on the Holtzclaw case? After watching it and having read up on the case everything points to the guy being innocent.
Yes I did. I'm working on an article about it. No, it doesn't point to him being innocent. Malkin is getting her information from the family and a guy named Brian Bates, who was an investigator for the defense.

Most of what Malkin brings up in her special is not mentioned at all in Holtzclaw's appeal. Her arguments are mostly nonsense.
03-10-2017 , 02:44 PM

https://twitter.com/cuteangel_fb/sta...61142744186880
03-10-2017 , 04:25 PM
fantastic breakdown of the psychology in the SJW's and how these philosophies have played out in recent history. also shows how these failed ideologies have been re-branded

these aren't bigots. these are Dr's and this is their area of expertise. They articulate what is going on with incredible depth



03-10-2017 , 05:02 PM
Or, you could learn about fighting from civil rights from one of the greats of all time, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

https://kinginstitute.stanford.edu/k...irmingham-jail



03-11-2017 , 07:00 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
fantastic breakdown of the psychology in the SJW's and how these philosophies have played out in recent history. also shows how these failed ideologies have been re-branded

these aren't bigots. these are Dr's and this is their area of expertise. They articulate what is going on with incredible depth



Pretty interesting that J Peterson, one of the biggest critics of social justice warriors studied authoritarian regimes for decades. Let that sink in.
03-11-2017 , 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Or, you could learn about fighting from civil rights from one of the greats of all time, Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
Or you could listen to both? J Peterson is a very sharp guy you might just learn something. J Peterson is probably more relevant when discussing todays political climate which was very different to the one MLK was brought up in. Thankfully we have come a long way since then.

MLK probably wouldnt have liked to SJW movement he always implored us to judge people on the content of their character not the color of their skin.
03-11-2017 , 10:42 AM
Oh today's political climate is VERY similar to the 1960's civil rights movement. You have a political movement (Republicans) that are entirely built on taking away the rights of minorities. You have a huge mass incarceration problem where black Americans are being locked up far more often than white people and for far longer when they commit the same crimes. You have states attacking voting rights harshly like North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, and many others that are trying to make it difficult for black and poor people to vote in their states. You have attacks on LGBT and transgender rights both through the states and the federal government now with Jeff Sessions in charge.

I can't think of a recent time in history when MLK's words were more relevant, actually.
03-11-2017 , 12:31 PM
Acronymal stereotypes seem a lower priority than an authoritarian regime that erases science and fancies stuff like genetic supremacy.
03-11-2017 , 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Oh today's political climate is VERY similar to the 1960's civil rights movement. You have a political movement (Republicans) that are entirely built on taking away the rights of minorities. You have a huge mass incarceration problem where black Americans are being locked up far more often than white people and for far longer when they commit the same crimes. You have states attacking voting rights harshly like North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, and many others that are trying to make it difficult for black and poor people to vote in their states. You have attacks on LGBT and transgender rights both through the states and the federal government now with Jeff Sessions in charge.

I can't think of a recent time in history when MLK's words were more relevant, actually
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I 100% agree with the bit in bold. The authoritarian SJWs as well as the alt right white nationalist would do well to heed that advice.

And yes there are massive problems in the US at the moment but your country has come a long way since then. Black people couldnt vote back then , you have had a black man as president , the two climates arent similar but black communities are still feeling the effects of being treated as second class citizens for over a century.
03-11-2017 , 12:40 PM
"Authoritarian SJWs" is an impressive bit of Orwellian Doublespeak, you must be proud of that bit of strange propaganda.
03-11-2017 , 12:41 PM
Oh, those darn authoritarians, the SJWs, demanding criminal justice reform and an end to mass incarceration. What a bunch of authori-oh wait.


https://twitter.com/BrennanCenter/st...02466668445696
03-11-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
"Authoritarian SJWs" is an impressive bit of Orwellian Doublespeak, you must be proud of that bit of strange propaganda.
Im all in favor of reforming your justice system , its barbaric for a country that prides its self on its freedom. I am not in favor of stifling free speech and other peoples opinions. It doesnt do the left any favors in fact it weakens the left and paves the way for goons like Trump.

I take no pride in pointing out facts. Your university's are over run with the authoritarian left. I am a fan of neither the authoritarian left or the authoritarian right, they are two cheeks of the same arse.
03-11-2017 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
"Authoritarian SJWs" is an impressive bit of Orwellian Doublespeak, you must be proud of that bit of strange propaganda.
That acronym....

1. Isn't used in a way that is honest or complete to words in the acronym. It's used as a false representation of the words Social, Justice, and Warrior.

2. Is being invoked in a guise of academia.

3. Is 2 'moves' away from being Jews.

4. While all sorts of ists, isms, nazis, gots, and phobes are prowling around in the halls of institutions and authorities.

5. Is deceptively easy to share. SJWs.
03-11-2017 , 01:50 PM

https://twitter.com/Taniel/status/840444472626425856
03-11-2017 , 04:38 PM
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Originally Posted by superslug
I 100% agree with the bit in bold. The authoritarian SJWs as well as the alt right white nationalist would do well to heed that advice.

And yes there are massive problems in the US at the moment but your country has come a long way since then. Black people couldnt vote back then , you have had a black man as president , the two climates arent similar but black communities are still feeling the effects of being treated as second class citizens for over a century.
Your evidence of this authoritarianism so far has been a radical Christian pro-life website referencing an incident in which an anonymous teacher allegedly lost his job at an unnamed private school.

Let that sink in.
03-11-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Your evidence of this authoritarianism so far has been a radical Christian pro-life website referencing an incident in which an anonymous teacher allegedly lost his job at an unnamed private school.

Let that sink in.
No iv given countless examples of authoritarianism creeping into our society's both in government policy and in University's in countries all over the world.

The most recent example I saw was a Ryerston university student who wanted write a paper on why the wage gap was a myth was told by her professor that she shouldn't use government or business sources and only to use feminist sources. He or she is pushing their ideology onto students and discouraging free thought.

It would be different is she was told to check out a number of sources including feminist ones. Its practically indoctrination.

http://www.torontosun.com/2017/03/09...inist-journals
03-11-2017 , 06:04 PM
Countless examples is easy when I never see anything like a retraction. That's always the game. The conversation we were having was about the claim that you can't even ask where someone's from any more, and somehow that involved leaping onto a horrendously shoddy article about something unrelated, and now we turn down another avenue.

So we have part of a letter without context in which an instructor tells a student that if they want to write about the wage gap then they'll find a wealth of information in feminist writings. You realise the student could, I don't know, critique those sources if they wanted? Write their essay based on the research into the area and not whatever they were trying to use.

I have little reason to think that's legit, but it doesn't really strike me as "authoritarian" for a teacher to direct someone to the research on what they want to write about.
03-11-2017 , 06:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Bladesman87
Countless examples is easy when I never see anything like a retraction. That's always the game. The conversation we were having was about the claim that you can't even ask where someone's from any more, and somehow that involved leaping onto a horrendously shoddy article about something unrelated, and now we turn down another avenue.

So we have part of a letter without context in which an instructor tells a student that if they want to write about the wage gap then they'll find a wealth of information in feminist writings. You realise the student could, I don't know, critique those sources if they wanted? Write their essay based on the research into the area and not whatever they were trying to use.

I have little reason to think that's legit, but it doesn't really strike me as "authoritarian" for a teacher to direct someone to the research on what they want to write about.
Well its true micro aggression's are not only a way to limit peoples speech but also trying to limit the way they think.

Its also encouraging people to act like victims and see aggression's everywhere in everyday language. Its not helpful imo and is another example of the authoritarian left im talking about.

She was told that her entire premise was wrong , she was told pretty much that if she wanted to write about it she had to say it was real and not use business sources and write about it from a feminist perspective despite the fact that it is a hotly debated topic and the theory has many holes in it.

I dont know why you find it so hard to believe Universitys are awash with PC nonsense these days I think it is very plausible given how much they like to dictate the words people use to speakers they are allowed to hear.
03-11-2017 , 08:19 PM
Imagine my shock and horror at the fact that the teacher wanted the student to use real, academic sources and not "business sources" (think tank lobbying bullshit) that showed a lot of false results.
03-11-2017 , 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by superslug
Well its true micro aggression's are not only a way to limit peoples speech but also trying to limit the way they think.

Its also encouraging people to act like victims and see aggression's everywhere in everyday language. Its not helpful imo and is another example of the authoritarian left im talking about.

She was told that her entire premise was wrong , she was told pretty much that if she wanted to write about it she had to say it was real and not use business sources and write about it from a feminist perspective despite the fact that it is a hotly debated topic and the theory has many holes in it.

I dont know why you find it so hard to believe Universitys are awash with PC nonsense these days I think it is very plausible given how much they like to dictate the words people use to speakers they are allowed to hear.
Slow down again. That microaggressions are even being "enforced" so to speak with any kind of punishment is exactly the thing you were supposed to be trying to evidence, except all I got was a claim about a university you then couldn't find, and a pro-life website with no details.

This is how we end up with you thinking you've given me "countless examples" and I'm scratching my head wondering when.

You don't now get to assert that your feelings about microaggressions are clearly true.

So, for clarity, are you retracting the previous "countless examples" or are we just pretending that they happened? Because I don't agree to the latter, and it seems unfair for me to have to deal with more inane **** when you haven't thought about the first layer.

Maybe the student's premise was completely flawed? How the **** am I supposed to know when I haven't even got an essay title? Again, an instructor telling a student that the best source for info on the wage gap is actual research on the wage gap is not some bizarre overreach. It didn't say the student couldn't write whatever they wanted based on that info. Although, using bullshit sources and writing bullshit essays is not that likely to end well for a student, granted.
03-12-2017 , 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Oh today's political climate is VERY similar to the 1960's civil rights movement. You have a political movement (Republicans) that are entirely built on taking away the rights of minorities. You have a huge mass incarceration problem where black Americans are being locked up far more often than white people and for far longer when they commit the same crimes. You have states attacking voting rights harshly like North Carolina, Alabama, Georgia, and many others that are trying to make it difficult for black and poor people to vote in their states. You have attacks on LGBT and transgender rights both through the states and the federal government now with Jeff Sessions in charge.

I can't think of a recent time in history when MLK's words were more relevant, actually.
This post perfectly describes our political climate, imo

03-12-2017 , 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by superslug
Im all in favor of reforming your justice system , its barbaric for a country that prides its self on its freedom. I am not in favor of stifling free speech and other peoples opinions. It doesnt do the left any favors in fact it weakens the left and paves the way for goons like Trump.

I take no pride in pointing out facts. Your university's are over run with the authoritarian left. I am a fan of neither the authoritarian left or the authoritarian right, they are two cheeks of the same arse.
Dead right about the justice system but the evidence for a problem of the authoritarian left in 'the real world' of ideas and education does seem very thin. It's a much bigger problem on-line where a few can dominate - Owen Jones who's turning into a bit of a hero imo has announced he is cutting back on social media because of it. The problem is coming from the left and the right.

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I'm going to take a break from social media except to post articles and videos and the occasional events.

This isn't flouncing off. It's just it has come to point where it is a) totally unproductive and b) frankly just completely and utterly depressing. On a daily basis I have angry strangers yelling at me, on the one hand, that I'm responsible for the destruction of the Labour Party, and on the other, I'm a right-wing sellout careerist who's allied to Tony Blair and possibly in the pay of the Israeli government (and that I'm a Blairite **** who needs to go **** myself, and so on and so forth).

What unites both of these groups is an almost chronic inability to accept political disagreement in good faith. Nope: there has to be some sinister ulterior motive. Their belief is so righteous and pure than the only possible reason for someone disagreeing with it is malice or greed. That I'm a careerist, obsessed with my own profile, driven by selling books or making money, that the Guardian have brainwashed me, that I was never really left-wing, and so on and so forth.

Nobody who actually knows me thinks I'm driven by anything other than what I believe, even when they disagree with me. Both my parents are staunch supporters of Jeremy Corbyn; they're leading members of their local Momentum branch. They don't agree with lots of what I've said. Unlike the increasingly frothing keyboard warriors, neither doubts for a second that what I says comes from the heart.

I find myself constantly engaging with people denouncing my motives while sending abuse. And my friends ask: What are you doing? Why are you wasting your life on this nonsense? And they're just right.

Added with the usual far-right extremists sending ever more creative descriptions of how they're going to torture and murder me, I'm no longer convinced social media is as useful a tool for political debate and discussion as it once was.

I know the obvious responses to this. Put your violin away, stop pitying yourself. Get a thick skin. You put your views out there, expect to get attacked. That's how this works.

But to be honest it isn't about that. I'm just wasting my life. I wouldn't choose to walk every day into a room full of total strangers screaming mindless abuse and making up what I think and what my motives are, but in a sense that's what I'm currently doing.

I can't help look at some of it as distressing, not because of me, but because of the cause I love and have devoted my life to, the left, the movement that exists to rid society of injustice, exploitation and bigotry. I always wanted a left that was inclusive, welcoming, warm, that tried to convince the great mass of people who don't take a daily interest in politics that a better world was possible. If it is overtaken by a loud minority who are, increasingly, bound by utter hatred towards anyone deemed to deviate from their sanctity of their cause, then there is no future. None. I know there are some on the left who relish hunting down traitors, and hate them more than any Tory. But I'm afraid, if they succeed, they'll turn the left into an ever diminished rump that, to the rest of the population, comes across as vicious, vindictive, and spiteful, and certainly not a cause they'll want to be part of.
Look, I'm told all the time that these angry and bitter people are completely unrepresentative. I know that to be true. In real life, nobody ever comes up to me and behaves like this, not once. Which is probably an argument for spending less time arguing with strangers and more engaging with decent, good-natured people in real life.

I never wanted to write or do any of the stuff that I do. I only wanted to do it to fight for the things I've believed in, and over the last few years I've done everything I can in this limited position to expose the injustice of Tory policies, promote alternatives that could build a just society, give a platform to people who are otherwise demonised or airbrushed out of existence, support the labour movement, oppose injustice abroad, and so on. Above all else, I wanted to encourage other people to stand up to injustice and make their voices heard. Yes, I worry now that the things I believe in more than ever face being buried and discredited by a frighteningly right-wing Tory government, not because those things aren't right and popular, but because of totally avoidable failures, yes, even despite all the odds stacked against any movement that seeks to confront injustice. That's not because I'm a traitor, or a turncoat, or corrupt, but because it's a sincere fear that haunts every moment of my waking existence, and something I'm beyond desperate to avoid.

I only wanted to do what I do to make a useful and constructive contribution to the causes I believe in. I don't even enjoy writing, I do it to champion the things I believe in with all my heart. It is getting to the point where I'm not sure whether I can do that, whether there's something else I can do with my life that actually helps people. Some write because they enjoy it; maybe some enjoy the limelight (and there's nothing wrong with it if they do). But I don't, and there is no point doing something if you think the consequence of what you do - whatever your good intentions - is only harm.

Whatever the future, I'll never stop passionately believing in the things I do: a society run in the interests of the majority, not a tiny, a society run for people's needs and aspirations, not profit, where exploitation, oppression and all injustice is overcome. I still believe that cause will, one day, be vindicated with the right strategy and vision. It'll be others who achieve it, and they won't be bitter, or malicious, or vindictive, but people driven by humanity and a sense of justice.

And yeah, I'm sure there'll be loads of comments about how self-indulgent all this is. But I won't read them, I'm afraid. I'd just end with an appeal. If you have beliefs driven by a sense of humanity, then that same sense of humanity should always influence how you behave. We can win, but only if we persuade people that don't currently think like us. It can be done, but it isn't easy. One day we'll do it, and build a world far more just than the one we have today.
https://www.facebook.com/owenjones84...83629501730559
03-12-2017 , 01:36 PM
03-12-2017 , 02:09 PM
The challenge of accounting for front motives is that front motives don't want to be identified outside the front.

So, you front'n?
03-12-2017 , 03:57 PM
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I still believe that cause will, one day, be vindicated with the right strategy and vision. It'll be others who achieve it, and they won't be bitter, or malicious, or vindictive, but people driven by humanity and a sense of justice.
I hope this guy is right and it happens before the West entirely collapses.

      
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