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02-14-2017 , 08:28 PM

#1001

BroadwaySushy

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Where was that picture quoted from exactly? I'm not familiar with the background of it.

02-14-2017 , 08:31 PM

#1002

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Where was that picture quoted from exactly? I'm not familiar with the background of it.

A conservative cartoonist made it.

This is what it references.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Pr..._All_Live_With

02-14-2017 , 08:45 PM

#1003

BroadwaySushy

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Ok. Thanks.

Which conservative cartoonist and in what context exactly?

02-14-2017 , 08:51 PM

#1004

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glenn_McCoy

I'm not sure what you mean about context, cartoons aren't usually accompanied by articles explaining them. If you're unfamiliar with recent news, DeVos was recently protested when she went to a DC public school.

02-14-2017 , 09:09 PM

#1005

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Originally Posted by goofyballer

By context I meant what he was trying to say with the cartoon.

If he was trying to equate what happened with Devos to what happened to that black girl, then that is just ridiculous and offensive imo.

02-14-2017 , 09:10 PM

#1006

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Conservatives have equated having their self-proclaimed supremacy rejected with discrimination.

Yaint facing discrimination, y'all are facing having your self-proclaimed supremacy rejected because yaint supreme, yaint superior, and yaint master. Y'all just ain't.

Last edited by spanktehbadwookie; 02-14-2017 at 09:11 PM. Reason: yaint=y'all ain't=you all are not

02-14-2017 , 09:12 PM

#1007

kerowo

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

So, what's your point?

More false equivalency from the right.

02-14-2017 , 09:14 PM

#1008

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

Wow, never thought I'd see the day where I could do this to one of your posts:

02-14-2017 , 09:14 PM

#1009

BroadwaySushy

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

And you're talking a load of ****.

02-14-2017 , 09:19 PM

#1010

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

And you're talking through a load of ****.

Well you can say that, but we don't have to look far for examples.

Like, tell us more how conservatives haven't postured as supreme over LGTBQ people.

02-14-2017 , 09:21 PM

#1011

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The cartoon is a pretty shameless comparison between a very unqualified education secretary and a very innocent black student, both entering schools under protest for much different reasons. Any conservative who endorses it should lose political points, because the comparison is so outrageous, but it does highlight the outrageous nature of increased violent protests in the country and will be interesting if it still makes the rounds among conservative pundits.

02-14-2017 , 09:36 PM

#1012

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Then we can zoom out further to supremacy over non-Christians and Christians that aren't christian supremacists. Supremacy over women, supremacy over reproduction, or as I like to call it fetus fascism.

It's easier to list who conservatives don't lord over and that is.... conservatives and these days, Putin.

02-14-2017 , 09:48 PM

#1013

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Originally Posted by FoldnDark

Just read up on academic freedom and campus free speech rights.
http://www.npr.org/2017/02/12/514785...o-yiannopoulos
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.f93f4cc21268
https://www.thefire.org/campus-rights/

All state schools who choose to host student organizations are bound by strict viewpoint neutral rules with regard to how they choose to distribute funding and how they regulate the group membership, activities, etc. Suffice to say, if a young Dems group is allowed, so are young Rep, Socialist, Libertarian, etc., groups. If one is allowed to invite speakers, they all are. Naturally then, if a Dem group is allowed to invite a pro-choice speaker, the Reps can invite a pro-life speaker. If one can invite a feminist who says she wants to see a man beaten to a bloody pulp with a high-heel shoved in his mouth, like an apple in the mouth of a pig, or claims 1 in 5 women are sexually assaulted in college, then another can invite Milo.

What is Milo for and against? He has plenty of literature and videos, so if you're interested then why not look for yourself? What I've seen he appears to be against "third wave" feminism and for freedom of speech, against identity politics and white supremacy and for tight immigration controls. He's also got a lot of strange beliefs, like he's gay, but against gay marriage. He claims to love black dick, but he is for harassing a black woman on twitter and calling her a man. Real classy guy.

You realise the Andrea Dworkin quote you're referencing was a line by a character in a work of fiction she wrote, right? Or is that the kind of thing you don't check up on in your research?

02-14-2017 , 09:57 PM

#1014

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

You realise the Andrea Dworkin quote you're referencing was a line by a character in a work of fiction she wrote, right? Or is that the kind of thing you don't check up on in your research?

No, I didn't realize that. Thx.

If you clicked the link, there are plenty more sketchy quotes. Perhaps they all have more reasonable contexts.

The point stands, I think. Speakers with offensive views are allowed to speak on college campuses when invited by student groups. On a side note, there are probably contexts that might change your view about a lot of things you read about conservatives as well, even Milo.

02-14-2017 , 10:01 PM

#1015

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I didn't click the link to know if it's misinformation or you just didn't read it yourself.

02-14-2017 , 10:14 PM

#1016

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Originally Posted by Bladesman87

I didn't click the link to know if it's misinformation or you just didn't read it yourself.

You are missing the point, and perhaps proving it as well. Certainly speakers are allowed to be offensive, and even say outrageously untrue things. Here is a quote of hers from wikiquotes (I guess it's valid):

https://en.m.wikiquote.org/wiki/Andrea_Dworkin

Quote:

Under patriarchy, every woman's son is her potential betrayer and also the inevitable rapist or exploiter of another woman.

I assume that is quite offensive to a lot of men, and plenty might claim she ought not be allowed to speak. Perhaps some might characterize her as a bigot. Yet she should be allowed to speak on college campuses. Pretty sure she was. And despite her hateful and devisive rhetoric, she may have even done some good.

02-14-2017 , 10:20 PM

#1017

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You realize that every time you use quotes that are false or have nothing to do with your point you lose credibility? If you don't have the time to get your **** right why should anyone read your nonsense?

02-14-2017 , 10:31 PM

#1018

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Missing what point?

I haven't made any objection other than to point out that you quoted a line of fiction with no awareness that you were doing it. And I'm not clicking the link because I'm not playing that game where I have to dissect one quote, and so you give me five more, then ten more, in an attempt to batter me into submission.

02-14-2017 , 10:33 PM

#1019

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Then don't read my posts FFS. It's your right.

I admittedly just searched for terrible feminists quotes, and didn't bother verifying it. But it doesn't matter anyway. I could have just made something up out of thin air. The point was I think they should all be allowed to speak their minds, no matter what crap comes out.

Lol at acting like it's hard to find hateful feminist quotes though.

02-14-2017 , 10:37 PM

#1020

kerowo

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Of course it matters, it goes to show you are not rigorous in your arguments and make **** up to "prove" your points. You're right, the proper response is to stop reading your posts.

02-14-2017 , 10:43 PM

#1021

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lol, obv troll is obv? Knows how to use the word "rigorous" but doesn't get the point. Yeah, obv. Get a life dude.

02-14-2017 , 10:59 PM

#1022

kerowo

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tl;dr probably not true

02-14-2017 , 11:14 PM

#1023

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Wait, who said Milo shouldn't be allowed to speak?

02-14-2017 , 11:15 PM

#1024

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Quick corrections to post #193.

From 1) If you type in "racism" you get quite a lot of social justice advocates demonstrating why racism is a problem, and not nearly as many critics and blooper reels as with the other terms. That's encouraging.

From 2) I should have written "Sure this backlash may be coming mostly from conservatives, but critics outnumber advocates by quite a lot...

02-14-2017 , 11:21 PM

#1025

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Quote:

Originally Posted by LordJvK

Questions for th14:

1. What has the person's gender or skin colour got to do with their political views in this context?

2. Why do you think these people are "alienated" from society? What are the reasons for them feeling this way?

3. Do you think that all people who oppose "SJWs" necessarily buy into "an exagerrated mythology of The Other"? Do you see Foldndark or myself doing this, for example?

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On a related note, I was talking to a colleague just before Christmas. I reject some of her core feminist ideas about why people behave the way they do. I think that men and women have certain dispositions which recur with such stunning regularity and predictability that they must be hard-wired. I also said that the scientific data on this is overwhleming to the point that we cannot just dismiss it as nothing because it is inconvenient to our political beliefs.

She said "but most of the evolutionary biologists are men"

Question for everyone: Do you think this was a valid objection against my argument? Why?

No, if it's based on valid empirical data, then the objection is no better than a conservative's objection that global warming science is skewed because most research is done by liberals. But to be fair, in both cases the lack of trust is not necessarily a lack of trust in science itself, but lack of faith in the scientists.

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