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Originally Posted by well named
Well, I'm a horrible elitist snob so you'll get no argument from me that lots of people have no idea what they are talking about, including people with whom I feel a great deal of political solidarity. Unfortunately, there's no solution to that problem, but it has not been my experience that it is a larger problem on the left than on the right.
It's not clear to me why you think it is the case that you have more opportunities to argue against clueless social justice activists than me. What is it about our respective situations that makes this the case? I imagine we have similar opportunities, although it is perhaps likely you take more of them than I do. It's also not clear why you would think it's more frustrating to argue with clueless SJWs than it is to argue with clueless right-wingers, so to speak. I will absolutely claim to understand the frustration of arguing with people who argue badly.
I haven't noticed you arguing much against the particular views of social justice with the posters in this forum who, for example, spend their time following me around claiming I'm a racist, sexist, rapist, Holocaust-denying fascist, and who support 1-4. So I just assume it's because they are generally doing so in the name of social justice, and you share their general opinions about social justice, even if not their tactics.
Yes, I agree many right wingers are often just as insufferable; however, when they try to mold society into their moral view using 1-4, they also suffer the same criticisms, and are condemned by liberals like you, me and the ACLU. I think it's clear those tactics have -EV to promoting their causes, which could help explain why they've been in retreat for so long, but are now seeing a renewed resurgence. It might be telling that you don't notice LGBT speakers shouted down by angry Christians these days.
How much you and I can do about these illiberal tactics is unclear, but I'd guess acknowledging the damage they do and arguing against it, even with those we generally agree with ideologically, is the place to start.