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02-11-2017 , 09:53 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
I know nothing about Canada's bill. But if I'm going to be concerned about free speech in foreign countries, I'd probably worry more about Vladamir Kozlov in Kazakhstan or Gao Yu in China or everyone in North Korea.
That kind of proves my point though. . The difference is that you will be hard pressed to find many people who support those two regimes in the US or any other western democracy. And if you do it will be a tiny fringe group.

Almost every SJW in collage campuses will be fully in support of the C16 bill and would probably support a similar bill in the US.
02-11-2017 , 09:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
The right to free speech does not guarantee you a platform. People should be free to protest if a publisher decides to publish a book or a university invites a speaker.


How many times do I have to say I dont have a problem with protesting. You would be hard pressed to find someone that does.
02-11-2017 , 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
they are protesting and advocating people be fired and punished for not following their speech rules.
So? People have every right to protest the things others say and every right to argue that they should be fired.

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they aren't peacefully protesting opposing voices on campuses. they are disrupting any speech they don't like, and shutting others down with riots. this was the next logical step after they successfully created safe spaces. it keeps getting more and more intrusive
Yes. And this kind of thing is stopped by the authorities when it violates the law. Not fascism.

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your defending this behavior is bizarre
I don't defend this behavior. I just don't care and don't think it is anything close to fascism because it isn't.

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even if you share the same political views. step 1 in all of this is to spend a few minutes figuring out the value and importance of free speech. not just the easy to digest parts, but also the not so comfortable aspects. if you think deeply enough, you will realize that the importance of free speech is far more valuable than the opposing political views. the hitchens video is good. sam harris has many. a starting point should be that free speech is far more important and needs to be protected. once that is established, then you can go ahead and have political debate. apologizing for or sympathizing with attacks on free speech is ignorance in a dangerous way
Free speech is being protected. I'm not worried at all about the left on this issue.

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safe spaces is a start down the path of rejecting free speech. so are "micro aggressions".
lol. No.

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then you disrupt opposing speakers so they can't be heard after you have tried to get their event cancelled.
Trying to get things cancelled IS free speech. Disrupting a speech IS free speech. If these protesters break any laws then the authorities should act.

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then you resort to violent protests to shut down opposing views being expressed.
Violent protests are illegal. No one thinks they should be legal. Your point?

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they consider themselves the champions of morality while attack free speech which is far more important than any other political issues they are passionate about. its morally ******ed people wanting to lead the progress in morality.
I can certainly understand why unrepentant racists would think free speech is more important than eradicating any kind of oppression.
02-11-2017 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by superslug

How many times do I have to say I dont have a problem with protesting. You would be hard pressed to find someone that does.
The why are you complaining about "deplatforming"?
02-11-2017 , 10:30 AM
13ball, you deny reality and when faced with it ask ever inane questions.

Isn't this exactly from that conservative playbook that was circulated? You are using exactly those tactics. You should stop.
02-11-2017 , 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
So? People have every right to protest the things others say and every right to argue that they should be fired.



Yes. And this kind of thing is stopped by the authorities when it violates the law. Not fascism.



I don't defend this behavior. I just don't care and don't think it is anything close to fascism because it isn't.



Free speech is being protected. I'm not worried at all about the left on this issue.



lol. No.



Trying to get things cancelled IS free speech. Disrupting a speech IS free speech. If these protesters break any laws then the authorities should act.



Violent protests are illegal. No one thinks they should be legal. Your point?



I can certainly understand why unrepentant racists would think free speech is more important than eradicating any kind of oppression.
JFC, why is this so hard for some of you? Yes, you have the right say you don't want someone to speak, to protest their speech, and to do everything within the law to stop their horrible ideas from being uttered, and others from hearing them. And so does your opposition... they can try to silence your terrible ideas as well. I'll stand up for your right to say any damn silly thing you want, including that you want me to stfu.

We're criticizing the idea that you should want to try to silence others, and that it does anything but make you look like an illiberal church nanny, giving your opponent the high ground.
02-11-2017 , 11:44 AM
You need to watch this and learn the lessons. No other outcome is acceptable. Learn the lessons:
02-11-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
JFC, why is this so hard for some of you? Yes, you have the right say you don't want someone to speak, to protest their speech, and to do everything within the law to stop their horrible ideas from being uttered, and others from hearing them. And so does your opposition... they can try to silence your terrible ideas as well. I'll stand up for your right to say any damn silly thing you want, including that you want me to stfu.

We're criticizing the idea that you should want to try to silence others, and that it does anything but make you look like an illiberal church nanny, giving your opponent the high ground.
Who am I trying to silence? I don't give a **** about Milo speaking somewhere. I also don't give a **** that people don't want him to speak at their universities.
02-11-2017 , 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
The difference is that in the 1950s and so on they were battling against proper injustice.

Now they are literally little millennial twits talking about transgender loos. Wake up.
So lord is anti-LBGQ, is that what the SJWs gave you **** about Lord? So when you talk about equal rights what do you actually mean?
02-11-2017 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
You need to watch this and learn the lessons. No other outcome is acceptable. Learn the lessons:
Lol. Paul Joseph Watson? I'm not watching that conspiratorial moron. GMAFB.
02-11-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
People whose leaders get invited to our countries and no one from the left says a word.

But dare invite Donald Trump here and oh no.

Rank hypocrisy.
Wow, just wow.
02-11-2017 , 12:36 PM
LordJvK,

The media you consume is rotting your mind. You obviously don't fact check any of these videos you watch and just gobble up their messages with emotional abandon. Clearly you have a lot of biases if you are citing conspiracy theorists and rape apologists as authorities on morality.
02-11-2017 , 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
JFC, why is this so hard for some of you? Yes, you have the right say you don't want someone to speak, to protest their speech, and to do everything within the law to stop their horrible ideas from being uttered, and others from hearing them. And so does your opposition... they can try to silence your terrible ideas as well. I'll stand up for your right to say any damn silly thing you want, including that you want me to stfu.

We're criticizing the idea that you should want to try to silence others, and that it does anything but make you look like an illiberal church nanny, giving your opponent the high ground.
So it's ok to protest just not ok to be successful at it? LMAO
02-11-2017 , 12:44 PM
And you have to hand it to gamergate, Infowars, Breitbart, etc. They have mastered the genre of outrage porn. They know what buttons to push in the conservative lizard-brain. Fear and Loathing in 720HD--an unstoppable stream of petty complaints while Flint drinks lead.

But they can't do it without the compliant, comfortable conservative base and its deep-seated fear of damn near everything.
02-11-2017 , 01:02 PM
Not to downplay low level lead poisoning in children, since cleaning up lead contamination is something I've done for a living the past ten years, but I can't help noting the hysteria over Flint has been almost purely political fearmongering:

02-11-2017 , 01:06 PM
How many lead poisonings is acceptable in black kids Foldn?
02-11-2017 , 01:08 PM
Case and point.
02-11-2017 , 01:17 PM
What are you talking about exactly? You're saying SJWs are being too precious because a local government purposefully poisoned it's own people but the actual damage was only a few percentage point spike? **** you. 10 people died from Legionnaires disease that is most likely going to be linked to the water source change. Innocent people's lives were ruined because of this change and to it's NBG? How much outrage should we have over this situation?
02-11-2017 , 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Lol. Paul Joseph Watson? I'm not watching that conspiratorial moron. GMAFB.
Attack the argument being made, not the man.
02-11-2017 , 01:23 PM
Post his ideas not stupid youtube videos.
02-11-2017 , 01:34 PM
The legionaires disease is a much bigger deal, but lol at the government "purposefully" poisoning children. Governments, local, state, federal and public health agencies like EPA designed to protect people and the environment screw up all the time, and they typically self correct. It happens everywhere mostly due to bureaucratic incompetence. Everywhere, all the time. I could have gotten a few EPA project managers fired over the years if I called the press during an election year.
02-11-2017 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Attack the argument being made, not the man.
Paul Joseph Watson is not a reliable source and I'm not going to bother watching the video, tracking down his sources and seeing how he misrepresents them. He's not worth my time. He's also incredibly annoying to watch.
02-11-2017 , 01:48 PM
Replace lead in flint with irreparable damage caused by climate change or Republican governors not expanding Medicaid for the working poor or any of the myriad actual problems facing the US.
02-11-2017 , 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
The why are you complaining about "deplatforming"?

Because protesting is different to not allowing someone to speak. The manner of the protests were too violent innocent people getting punched to the ground , women being pepper sprayed at point blanc range.

To give you an example I was fully behind the protests at standing rock. The protest was carried out in a very dignified manner. There was a little bit of violence but the vast majority were peaceful. And to me it was a much more tense situation so in some ways the violence was more excusable. Still unacceptable but it was a very emotional situation.

This wasnt just some dude saying words you dont like this was about peoples actual rights. And I have actually disagreed with many anti SJWs about this. But this is the thing anti SJWs are from all across the political spectrum including the left, we disagree on some stuff. SJWs are like a cult and will bend over back words performing all sorts of mental gymnastic to defend their peers over their unacceptable behaviour.

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Originally Posted by 13ball
And you have to hand it to gamergate, Infowars, Breitbart, etc. They have mastered the genre of outrage porn. They know what buttons to push in the conservative lizard-brain. Fear and Loathing in 720HD--an unstoppable stream of petty complaints while Flint drinks lead.

But they can't do it without the compliant, comfortable conservative base and its deep-seated fear of damn near everything.
I probably agree with you about the Flynt situation. I think PJW is a bit of a **** but I agree with him about SJWs and he was also very scathing recently of the alt right recently so good for him.

Its funny actually because I went to Lunch with my sister and her family today she brought up a documentary she was watching called the free speach apocolypse which she recommended. She is the closest thing to an SJW I know personally , she is a Muslim (converted) feminist (not quite 3rd wave maybe a little more radical than second wave) and she was very scathing of the SJWs behaviour in the documentary and of their behaviour in general. We both pretty much agreed on free speech.

The fact that even she was scathing of them was very telling to me.
02-11-2017 , 01:59 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
So it's ok to protest just not ok to be successful at it? LMAO
Isn't the point of a protest to voice dissent with the idea that if people are shown differing viewpoints, we as a society will settle on an idea closer to the truth?

To measure success as shutting down an opposing point of view is so cynical and gross. And if a group "successfully" protests a viewpoint you happen to agree with, I suspect you wouldn't be so quick to defend their rights to shut down your speech.

      
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