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02-10-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
What people don't seem to realise, or don't seem to acknowledge, is that 2017 is absolutely nothing like 1963.
Most all the people fascists and bigots target are uniting, standing, and moving together in 2017. Thanks Bernie Sanders. Thanks Standing Rock. Thanks Countless countable People.
02-10-2017 , 02:51 PM
Completely delusional.
02-10-2017 , 03:01 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Completely delusional.
Careful, some folks are trained to explode when gaslight.

And, readers, you don't have to take my word for it...
02-10-2017 , 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
It does not really matter if Churchill did or did not say that.
Of course it matters. Churchill didn't say it, it is a misquote of something attributed to Huey Long ('When fascism comes to America, it will be in the guise of anti-fascism') and the false attribution to Churchill is a deceptive tactic by the far right: that is, fascists.

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What matters is the message.
No, the 'message' doesn't matter, because it is just far-right spam.
02-10-2017 , 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
You don't need to demonstrate false attitribution to anyone.

I was simply saying that whether or not Churchill said what he said, the line is still true.
SJWs by your own description are basically sanctimonious liberals

Fascism describes authoritarian political movements built around an imagined return to a glorious past, to be accomplished by removing undesirables from society, often by genocidal killing

so no, SJWs complaining about a Polaks are dumb joke aren't the new genocidal murderers.

the common thread for the various anti-PC/anti-SJW people is their own personal resentment at not being able to freely say bigoted things without consequence.
02-10-2017 , 06:19 PM
Suppression of free speech is a precursor to full blown fascism.
02-10-2017 , 06:26 PM
It doesn't motivate me. I have no interest in saying bigoted things. My beef is with the wrong-headedness of the ideas underling the SJW, as I've laid out at some length elsewhere.
02-10-2017 , 06:30 PM
From what I can tell anyone who is a 'free speech protector' is also potentially a 'social justice warrior' when they fight or struggle to protect free speech socially and with just values and principles concerning free speech.

I prefer the nomenclature free expression instead of free speech but that is just the thesaurus banging around between lingo.
02-10-2017 , 07:14 PM
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Originally Posted by th14
SJWs by your own description are basically sanctimonious liberals

Fascism describes authoritarian political movements built around an imagined return to a glorious past or future where cis white men are relegated to a lesser role possibly to be accomplished by removing cis white men from society, often by genocidal killing. This would also include the removal of anything, word, or action that was "oppressive" to one the select "pure groups". An example would be Trans, black, gay, female, and aryan (lol jokes, I got them. See the parallel here guys. The Nazi's had to rid the world of Jews, Poles, Gypsies etc. because they were detrimental to the "Volk". Similar to how non white non normative people aren't happy or as successful because of the "oppressive presence" of white people.)

so no, SJWs complaining about a Polaks are dumb joke aren't the new genocidal murderers.

the common thread for the various anti-PC/anti-SJW people is their own personal resentment at not being able to freely say bigoted things without consequence.
FYP but you could really add anyone who has achieved some level of success in society. If the SJW's dream came to fruition, and they had their way, the blame would just continue going downstream from cis white men once they realized that their removal didn't create great a utopia. It would happen in a similar fashion to Soviet Russia. That's provided they could hold power long enough.

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02-10-2017 , 07:16 PM
If only those white men would stop saying racist things...
02-10-2017 , 07:33 PM
Fascists grab people. SJWs grab fascists. Look for the grabs.
02-10-2017 , 07:52 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
If only those white men would stop saying racist things...
Woeful post
02-10-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
Suppression of free speech is a precursor to full blown fascism.
Yes--but where exactly are liberals advocating for laws that suppress free speech? Any examples at all?

Some other aspects of fascism:

Nationalism
Militarism
Imperialism
Protectionist and interventionist economic policies
Promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership

Sounds very Trumpish.
02-10-2017 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by turtletom
If the SJW's dream came to fruition, and they had their way, the blame would just continue going downstream from cis white men once they realized that their removal didn't create great a utopia
So removing "cis white men" is the SJW goal? Cool. That's ridiculous. Glad I'm not an SJW, then. Who is an SJW, though? Do they actually exist? It seems like this is some kind of moral panic.

Richard Spencer's publications, as Milo tells us, are the center of alt-right intellectual thought. Where is this SJW theory to remove cis white men outlined exactly?
02-10-2017 , 08:33 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Yes--but where exactly are liberals advocating for laws that suppress free speech? Any examples at all?

Some other aspects of fascism:

Nationalism
Militarism
Imperialism
Protectionist and interventionist economic policies
Promotion of masculinity, youth and charismatic leadership

Sounds very Trumpish.
I didn't say they were advocating for laws (at least not yet).

However there are plenty of examples of them trying to shut down free speech. The recent Milo debacle was just one example. The university professor from NYU tirade was another one.

All these things, although not legally sanctioned suppression of free speech as such, are in danger of escalating down that slippery slope into becoming normally acceptable behaviour.
02-10-2017 , 08:36 PM
We don't need to ban fear-mongering to point out it is an abyss, not a slope.
02-10-2017 , 10:48 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Yes--but where exactly are liberals advocating for laws that suppress free speech? Any examples at all?
you have participated in the gender studies thread and still have this question? they are absolutely going after free speech and composing laws to enforce compelled speech. they are protesting and advocating people be fired and punished for not following their speech rules.

they aren't peacefully protesting opposing voices on campuses. they are disrupting any speech they don't like, and shutting others down with riots. this was the next logical step after they successfully created safe spaces. it keeps getting more and more intrusive

your defending this behavior is bizarre, even if you share the same political views. step 1 in all of this is to spend a few minutes figuring out the value and importance of free speech. not just the easy to digest parts, but also the not so comfortable aspects. if you think deeply enough, you will realize that the importance of free speech is far more valuable than the opposing political views. the hitchens video is good. sam harris has many. a starting point should be that free speech is far more important and needs to be protected. once that is established, then you can go ahead and have political debate. apologizing for or sympathizing with attacks on free speech is ignorance in a dangerous way

safe spaces is a start down the path of rejecting free speech. so are "micro aggressions". then you disrupt opposing speakers so they can't be heard after you have tried to get their event cancelled. then you resort to violent protests to shut down opposing views being expressed. then you legally pursue punishment to those who don't speak in the manner you want (bill c-16). this happened. its a progression and it was predictable. this is a growing mob that has completely lost the plot. the irony is that they consider themselves the champions of morality while attack free speech which is far more important than any other political issues they are passionate about. its morally ******ed people wanting to lead the progress in morality.
02-10-2017 , 11:04 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Yes--but where exactly are liberals advocating for laws that suppress free speech? Any examples at all?
The examples are endless.
02-10-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Yes--but where exactly are liberals advocating for laws that suppress free speech? Any examples at all?......
No need for laws. The liberal effort to suppress free speech is seen every day on many college campuses by actions to prevent speech that does not support the liberal narrative. UC-Berkley was just the latest example. Today, the effort to block the new Sec of Education to speak at a school. Heck, most of the politics threads in the other such forum on this site are clear examples of lib mob mentality to shut down any opposing view.
02-10-2017 , 11:17 PM
Yawl are mistaking people's free speech response to fascism and bigotry with suppressing anyone's free speech.

Nebulous college student threats are great again. Them college students gonna steal our fear-mongering goading speech by simply showing up.
02-11-2017 , 07:12 AM
SJWs just get owned and destroyed in every thread. They never get sick of getting these asses handed to them because they never even realise this is happening. Clueless naive people.
02-11-2017 , 07:19 AM
OSJers just post nonsense and claim the win. Very Trumpian.
02-11-2017 , 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by dereds
OSJers just post nonsense and claim the win. Very Trumpian.
13ball cant even think of any examples of "liberals" suppressing free speech.
Its like he is walking around with his eyes closed.
02-11-2017 , 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
SJWs just get owned and destroyed in every thread. They never get sick of getting these asses handed to them because they never even realise this is happening. Clueless naive people.
You were the little pasty white nerd who was whining for a soft space last week.
02-11-2017 , 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by superslug
13ball cant even think of any examples of "liberals" suppressing free speech.
Its like he is walking around with his eyes closed.
Clueless people who have failed to learn the lessons of 2016 the rest of us can see quite clearly.

      
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