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02-02-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Lord, you said


These were all very important parts of gamergate. Do you retract these claims now, that they have proven to be false?

Do you retract your statement that "Obama did the same thing" now that such was also proven to be false?
I know of no cases in which an anti-SJW has successfully:

gotten someone sacked for their political views
ruined someone's life
wrongly targetted people who are not guilty of the things they said they are
willfully overlooked the facts of science for idelogical ends
stamped on people's freedom to express their ideas by banning them

If you can show me where even gamersgaters with all of their trolling tactics were able to to do this, I will retract the claim.

SJWs do all five of these things routinely, and if I started listing examples we'd be here until tomorrow morning.
02-02-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty
From what I read, it seemed like they were trying to use the tactics of SJWs in a "see how it feels" kind'a vindictive way. I also cannot possibly believe a video game about depression could be taken seriously in the industry. Something doesn't add up for sure. I mean, you can do a story line with some ups-and-downs, and that makes sense. But, why am I playing a video game about depression when I can get black-out drunk? That **** isn't the least bit marketable.
You read ten minutes worth of stuff. You have no basis to make a statement at all
02-02-2017 , 04:08 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Do you have evidence of SJW swatting people, trying to get them fired, doxxing them, vowing to rape/kill people etc?

It's been posed as "Tit for tat" in hindsight, but this isn't true.
There are a few examples in this article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/m...ccos-life.html

I remember when this scientist (and nobel laureate) Tim Hunt was fired for a silly joke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.abdce46d5c73

The gamergaters put a list together too:

https://voat.co/v/GamerGate/comments/703335
02-02-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I know of no cases in which an anti-SJW has successfully:

gotten someone sacked for their political views
ruined someone's life
wrongly targetted people who are not guilty of the things they said they are
willfully overlooked the facts of science for idelogical ends
stamped on people's freedom to express their ideas by banning them

If you can show me where even gamersgaters with all of their trolling tactics were able to to do this, I will retract the claim.

SJWs do all five of these things routinely, and if I started listing examples we'd be here until tomorrow morning.
Uh, gamergate literally started by trying to get somebody fired. That was literally the precipice of the movement. How can you be so ignorant? They then moved onto targeted harassment of women and doxxing them, which caused them to move and hide. I would consider this "ruining somebodies life." The initial thing that gamergate tried to get somebody fired for didn't happen.

This is basically akin to watching The Dark Knight and going "The Joker isn't a bad guy, he's never committed any crimes." The first scene was a bank heist where he murdered multiple people!
All the things you claim to never have happened were the literal origins of gamergate! It's like you live in some alternate reality where Bruce Wayne's parents survived.
02-02-2017 , 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by master3004
You read ten minutes worth of stuff. You have no basis to make a statement at all
I went to video game school. Very tilting video game concept.
02-02-2017 , 04:11 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
There are a few examples in this article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/15/m...ccos-life.html

I remember when this scientist (and nobel laureate) Tim Hunt was fired for a silly joke.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.abdce46d5c73

The gamergaters put a list together too:

https://voat.co/v/GamerGate/comments/703335
Yikes, I can't read the second link because of highly misogynistic and downright terrible it is. YiKes.

Again, Lord says he is a big fan of "personal responsibility." Isn't that at odds with being responsible for you know, the things you say? Ie not calling women "Sluts" etc?
02-02-2017 , 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Do you have evidence of SJW swatting people, trying to get them fired, doxxing them, vowing to rape/kill people etc?

It's been posed as "Tit for tat" in hindsight, but this isn't true.

Leaves, there is a large video game industry of "indie" games now. Steam is a giant thing, so is kickstarter. People make cheaper games, sell them on Steam for $5-20 or whatever, they do alright. I'm a dude who buys maybe two video games a year and spends ~20 hours a year playing them. But there is a decent market for smaller titles.
Cell phones have really changed the landscape as well. I didn't finish video game design school. Didn't smoke enough/any weed. Maybe it'd flop as an indie. I just can't imagine anyone playing it.
02-02-2017 , 04:13 PM
You've pointed to two examples, one of which was not "successful".

When you can give me literally 100, I might concede the point.

I could give you probably 500 examples of SJWs successfully doing any of those five things. But you probably already know of them since you are so well-read on this topic.
02-02-2017 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I know of no cases in which an anti-SJW has successfully:

gotten someone sacked for their political views
ruined someone's life
wrongly targetted people who are not guilty of the things they said they are
willfully overlooked the facts of science for idelogical ends
stamped on people's freedom to express their ideas by banning them

If you can show me where even gamersgaters with all of their trolling tactics were able to to do this, I will retract the claim.

SJWs do all five of these things routinely, and if I started listing examples we'd be here until tomorrow morning.
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
You've pointed to two examples, one of which was not "successful".

When you can give me literally 100, I might concede the point.

I could give you probably 500 examples of SJWs successfully doing any of those five things. But you probably already know of them since you are so well-read on this topic.
Again, this was *literally* the first act of the largest anti SJW movement of all time. This guy sure does his homework!
02-02-2017 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
You've pointed to two examples, one of which was not "successful".

When you can give me literally 100, I might concede the point.

I could give you probably 500 examples of SJWs successfully doing any of those five things. But you probably already know of them since you are so well-read on this topic.
No, you cant
02-02-2017 , 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Yikes, I can't read the second link because of highly misogynistic and downright terrible it is. YiKes.
Brenden Eich. http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-26868536

Whether you agree with his politics, things are getting pretty crazy when your job is at risk for having an opinion most Christians have.

I wonder if that may have scared the evangelicals into voting for someone who read to them from "Two" Corinthians?

If we could only explain to them that the Muslims also hate the gays, maybe they'd wise up... or maybe we'd be fired for saying that. Who knows these days.
02-02-2017 , 04:18 PM
Try looking up the rocket scientist who was reduced to tears for wearing a shirt his friend got him.
02-02-2017 , 04:20 PM
Here's the thing. Gamergate and the "Anti SJW" crowd have forums and places they conspire to harass and threaten and doxx their victims on. There isn't any nefarious SJW forum. There isn't a place where the purveyors of social justice get together to try and get people fired.

I would suggest people here on either side read "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson.
02-02-2017 , 04:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Try looking up the rocket scientist who was reduced to tears for wearing a shirt his friend got him.
If your first example is just a dude crying, I'm on the edge of my seat for the next 499!
02-02-2017 , 04:24 PM
It has become clear that aoFrantic is rabidly pro-SJW.

Why are you?
02-02-2017 , 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
That's the only game they mention I'm familiar with, being an old, but they also describe a game about depression that got suspiciously great reviews despite not selling at all due to it being, well, depressing. It would not surprise me at all if a bunch of kids would find that people trying to nanny out the fun from their games would spawn a backlash, especially if the nannies were actually succeeding.
What is "suspicious" about something getting good reviews despite not being popular? The best-reviewed movies are not the highest grossing. The best-reviewed movies are often depressing, but they tackle real world tragedies. No one was forcing people to play the game. It's so weird to get upset about that.

And starting a movement that ends up harassing and threatening women because you are mad about some aspect of a video game being called sexist seems to prove the critics right.
02-02-2017 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
It has become clear that aoFrantic is rabidly pro-SJW.

Why are you?
I'm generally not. I'm just showcasing your lies for all of this forum to see. If you stopped lying over and over, perhaps we could get somewhere in an honest discussion.
02-02-2017 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
I know of no cases in which an anti-SJW has successfully:

gotten someone sacked for their political views
ruined someone's life
wrongly targetted people who are not guilty of the things they said they are
willfully overlooked the facts of science for idelogical ends
stamped on people's freedom to express their ideas by banning them

If you can show me where even gamersgaters with all of their trolling tactics were able to to do this, I will retract the claim.

SJWs do all five of these things routinely, and if I started listing examples we'd be here until tomorrow morning.
We've pointed out countless examples. Come now. You are in denial.
02-02-2017 , 04:28 PM
Okay, let's say everything you say is correct. So what? Literally so what?

How does it defeat my central argument that the new effect of SJWs is negative to their causes?
02-02-2017 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
Here's the thing. Gamergate and the "Anti SJW" crowd have forums and places they conspire to harass and threaten and doxx their victims on. There isn't any nefarious SJW forum. There isn't a place where the purveyors of social justice get together to try and get people fired.

I would suggest people here on either side read "So you've been publicly shamed" by Jon Ronson.
Not sure how you can know that, or why it would even matter. The alt-right trolls are terrible, yes, and they are a completely unsurprising response to the social justice tactics pushing their agenda through shaming campaigns, twitter storms, getting people fired for "slipping up" and not apologizing and acknowledging their "privilege" fast enough, or whatever. This isn't hard. It's also not hard to see how politics has been influenced by the overbearing application of PC on steroids that social media has enabled. We'll have a chance to move out of this sick outrage phase when people quit denying it's actually happening.
02-02-2017 , 04:29 PM
Does anyone know how easy it is to pretend to be something and then do stuff to make that something look bad?

People who are already bad, like fascists, don't need to be exaggerated or made to look worse by such deception, but they do need to make the good guys look bad now don't they?

So how do you tell the pretender from the real deal?
02-02-2017 , 04:30 PM
Gamers are also natural trolls, fwiw. I mean, it sounds like fractral trollness.
02-02-2017 , 04:31 PM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
What is "suspicious" about something getting good reviews despite not being popular? The best-reviewed movies are not the highest grossing. The best-reviewed movies are often depressing, but they tackle real world tragedies. No one was forcing people to play the game. It's so weird to get upset about that.

And starting a movement that ends up harassing and threatening women because you are mad about some aspect of a video game being called sexist seems to prove the critics right.
You got me there. You have to pick your movie critics well. So many are always trying to push their own political agenda.
02-02-2017 , 04:32 PM
Lol, if you actually defend those who shamed the rocket scientist for that shirt.

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
If your first example is just a dude crying, I'm on the edge of my seat for the next 499!
And you say crap like this, when he's right there are literally hundreds of examples...

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
I'm generally not. I'm just showcasing your lies for all of this forum to see. If you stopped lying over and over, perhaps we could get somewhere in an honest discussion.
You might be a part of the problem. Not sure you can be reached here.
02-02-2017 , 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by LordJvK
Okay, let's say everything you say is correct. So what? Literally so what?

How does it defeat my central argument that the new effect of SJWs is negative to their causes?
Because it shows that you have lied, over and over and started from an incorrect premise. You have devoted days of your life making youtube videos about this subject, yet were so hilariously wrong about the simplest parts of it.

Again foldn, you seem to not understand outrage culture too well. I really recommend that book. We don't know when outrage will reach a critical mass. Unlike the anti SJW, there is no hub of social justice, no long running campaign to harass specific individuals. What generally happens is someone in the public says something stupid, it gets shared a lot, then they might face consequences. There is no underlying cause for what gets people in trouble. Not all statements nor punishments are near equal. There are too many variables involved. Donald Trump would have been fired from 99% of jobs in America for statements he made on the campaign trail. Instead, he is your President.

      
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