I focus on that cause because I really care about liberty and its suppression by illiberal people. It's closer to my heart.

I care about other causes too, but I can't do much about those, and honestly do not know the ultimate answers to some of them (see Thatcher / Reagan / Friedman, closing down mines and factories, globalisation, etc).

I have talked a lot about the importance of social cohesion with you, but you always seem to downplay my concerns in this area. But this is another cause.

And so on it goes.

I don't ONLY focus on SJW-ism, but it is something I feel very very strongly about.

huh? obamas law made it harder to get visas. it also required dual nationals to obtain a visa whereas prior, they could travel to usa without a visa if they were also european citizens.

trump denied entry to legal visa holders and legal residents with green cards.

these are really big differences and they are clearly spelled out.

Victor making a fool out of Lord (or did he do that to himself) is a nice lunch read.

You know gamer gate was a thing right? All of those people were anti-SJW, and they exhibited every single one of the things you say anti-SJWs don't do.

What a ****ing clownshoes claim on your part.

And these people still exist and there is a one hundred percent overlap with trump supporters. The places gamergate started became the early hubs of online trump support.

So now you are showing me actual evidence of SJWs DIRECTLY causing Trump?

Brilliant, carry on.

Wait, you think gamergate was founded by SJW? Not the brightest bulb over here.

Master post explicitly labels them as anti SJW. Do you just not bother to read or inform yourself? Like how you were brazenly wrong about the immigration stuff?

Gamergate wasn't a response to "SJWs." It was a sexist response to nothing at all. The original "controversy" that kicked off gamergate was a fabrication by an ex-boyfriend of a woman the movement then targeted for harassment:

Did SJWs make these people become irrational?

Oh I see. SJWs didn't cause them to become anti-SJW, flock together and create a base of support for Trump. I see.

These things would have happened because these people are deplorables anyway. Is that what you are saying?

The things Lord claims "anti SJW" never do were the largest tenants of gamer gate, the largest anti SJW movement in history. It's hard to be more wrong and ignorant than he is.

No, nobody is saying that. How are you so very ignorant of a subject you've spent hours making YouTube videos for? How are you not ashamed right now of his vast ignorance?

The fact you are this ignorant to the online presence of Donald trump supporters in places like reddit, 7chan, 4chan and the history of these places makes you look like a fool.

Hey, look at these totally reasonable anti-SJWs!

What is "SJW" about a lie that some woman had sex with a guy to get a good review for her video game? The #gamergate people are absolute and utter morons.

In point of fact, no, SJWs did not "cause" them to become anti-SJW. Also, I thought you were a strong believer in individual responsibility?

More generally, the theoretical problem I have with your attitude towards this kind of question is that you seem to think social movements are invalidated by the presence of counter-movements. You seem to assume that if a counter-movement exists that is a strong indicator of some failure on the part of the movement. But, I think if you ask any specialist in social movement research, they'll tell you that basically all social movements spawn counter-movements, and all social movement framings prompt counter-framings. I'm literally unaware of a single counter example.

You also seem to assume that the people who were active #gamergaters were somehow open and positively disposed towards feminist concerns until the SJWs turned them off by being too strident, illiberal, or whatever else. There's basically no evidence to support that, and a great deal of evidence to the contrary. In previous discussions with foldndark, I tried to make the point that opposition to SJWs is often couched in terms of a disagreement about methods, which tends to obscure the fact that there are really strong disagreements about goals and about the reality of social inequalities. #gamergaters were never just complaining about the methods of SJWs.

The way it goes is this: Right wing idiots got mad at women for having an opinion on something they liked so they harassed her. Then they started calling liberals SJWs and talked about how much they hate them.

But how would you be able to see this if you think Obama's visa restrictions and Trump's travel ban are exactly the same thing?

From what I've read, alt-right trolls sometimes claim to "fight fire with fire," responding to the way the "SJW"s push their political agenda. So it looks like you're right, there are "anti-SJW's" who fight back.

http://gawker.com/what-is-gamergate-...eks-1642909080
These online trolls have essentially just turned themselves into an oppressed group, "gamers", and adopted the same sorts of tactics as their "SJW" cousins. I guess it's pretty much what we should expect when the politics of identity are being promoted so fervently across the political spectrum, we'll just all have to learn to expect groups of angry people who identify with each other to do terrible things in the name of their perceived oppression.

The fact that the dude who made a thread against SJW has literally no knowledge of the biggest anti SJW movement that has ever existed is hilarious, embarrassing and pathetic.

If methods were the real motivation behind Lord's beliefs then he would HATE #gamergate.

I am not defending gamersgaters, and am well aware of the history of it all. But that it was caused by a backlash against SJWs cannot be denied.

But I am for individual responsibility, and do not condone the actions of people who took it too far or who used anti-SJWism as a cover for racism and sexism

I am not of the alt right, which is what gamersgate et al became.

I do support and agree with Sargon of Akkad much of the time -- but I do not condone all of his actions or statements.

Let's see if people can deal with the nuances of this post.

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I literally do not understand why 13ball, well named, and aoFrantic are rushing to the aid of SJWs.

Are you SJWs? If you are defend against the amazing arguments I laid forth in my videos.

If you are not, why are you here in this thread?

In every presidential election I can remember, the losing campaign is always blamed by their supporters for running a bad campaign. A week before the election, I thought Hillary had run a pretty good campaign (i.e. fundraising, GOTV, endorsements, messaging, debates, oppo etc). Since then I've seen lots of results-oriented claims that she didn't, but little evidence to change this evaluation.

It is clear to me from reading 2p2 politics over the last few weeks that I had a very different view of the initial probability of Hillary winning versus Trump than most posters here. It's also clear that I think campaigns have much less effect on the final result than most posters here. That probably explains the disagreement as much as anything.

Spent about 10 mins reading an article on gamergate. Not enough patience to follow all this, so I'll throw a poo link and hope it sticks.

http://gawker.com/what-is-gamergate-...eks-1642909080

Largely arguments over things that matter very little.

Lord, you said
These were all very important parts of gamergate. Do you retract these claims now, that they have proven to be false?

Do you retract your statement that "Obama did the same thing" now that such was also proven to be false?

If we are lucky Fredrick Douglass will make an account and tell us about fighting for social justice. I hear he is like amazing and does a terrific job.

From what I read, it seemed like they were trying to use the tactics of SJWs in a "see how it feels" kind'a vindictive way. I also cannot possibly believe a video game about depression could be taken seriously in the industry. Something doesn't add up for sure. I mean, you can do a story line with some ups-and-downs, and that makes sense. But, why am I playing a video game about depression when I can get black-out drunk? That **** isn't the least bit marketable.

Do you have evidence of SJW swatting people, trying to get them fired, doxxing them, vowing to rape/kill people etc?

It's been posed as "Tit for tat" in hindsight, but this isn't true.

Leaves, there is a large video game industry of "indie" games now. Steam is a giant thing, so is kickstarter. People make cheaper games, sell them on Steam for $5-20 or whatever, they do alright. I'm a dude who buys maybe two video games a year and spends ~20 hours a year playing them. But there is a decent market for smaller titles.

Pretty sure gamergaters were opposed to the methods and the complaints of the feminists, who they felt were threatening the gaming industry and smearing them as a group as misogynists. I don't remember claiming that the methods of the social justice movement were the only thing wrong. In fact, I recall pointing out much of the theory behind it seems couched in leftist social science barely exposed to any non-leftist criticism. So we could expect quit a culture clash when advocates attempt to push those ideals onto the general populace.

One of the complaints I've read from gamergate were that beating a whore on "Grand Theft Auto" was considered evidence of misogyny, when of course, you can beat up anyone in that game, so not being able to beat up the hookers would have actually been more sexist. That's the only game they mention I'm familiar with, being an old, but they also describe a game about depression that got suspiciously great reviews despite not selling at all due to it being, well, depressing. It would not surprise me at all if a bunch of kids would find that people trying to nanny out the fun from their games would spawn a backlash, especially if the nannies were actually succeeding.