100% chance #dudebitterly wrote an email, because he can't fathom a world in which he might be wrong. (He's like Ike in that way) And 100% chance he got the same reply that was posted in alta, which made him look like a huge idiot.

And since his enormous pride and ego prevent him from accepting that he was wrong, here we have another few hundred posts on the topic of his wrongness.

Bravo to him for never giving up in face of utter and complete defeat. Just because the buzzer already sounded doesn't mean the game is over!

Well, the point is that it hopefully results in a increase of reported rapes. I don't know if this outweighs the costs to victims who want to tell someone but don't want the police involved.

DIB- You believe colleges should not be allowed to discipline students accused of sexual assault, RAINN explicitly disagrees. This is for two reasons

1) RAINN employees understand the difference between criminal courts and internal discipline

2) RAINN employees don't think the "crux of the problem" is universities dropping the hammer on dudes who just ****ed some drunk skank

Not complicated at all.

Kinda seems like you shouldn't have written this down, moron.

Guys... I'm concerned that dib is illiterate and we are just picking on the kid who doesn't know how to read at this point. How the **** else could he possibly come to any of the conclusions in the quoted post?

Put this (and others) in your own words Fly. You would tell me to stop being a pussy ass bitch. Lead by example bro.

Show off your literacy skills bro. Challenge issued to you as well. Put it in your own words.

Nobody is advocating that rape be only investigated by internal school boards with no involvement from the police. You, meanwhile have advocated that there be NO involvement from an internal school board while the rape case is handled by police. You are the one advocating mutual exclusivety. Nobody else is. You are a moron

I'm not really following this thread, but w/ murder its trivially easy to know a crime has been committed. A better example might be physical assault/fighting - which AFAIK, schools do investigate.

So..nobody's gonna take my 2+2 reflective listening challenge? It's easy. Read, then put it into your own words.

There is no need to. Rainn is not promoting exclusivety as is shown by what Goofy posted. Only one moron is promoting exclusivety.

Hint: it's you

So the dude claims I might be illiterate, pointing to the way I put RAINN paragraphs into my own words.

I respond by asking him to do the same. You know, to enlighten me about the real true meaning of the paragraphs I clearly (...you know, due to my illiteracy) can't comprehend.

In the words of Fly, the dude bitches out because he knows I fully grasped the meaning.

RAINN is pointing out some of the problems with university code of conduct boards. They seem to want internal conduct boards to work with police, be professionalized and implement various methodologies that would improve the process for rape victims. They DO NOT advocate mutual exclusivity between the the criminal justice system and internal review courts.

I'm not Fly, but I am pretty sure that is suggesting that IRBs should not be the primary avenue for investigating and punishing sexual assault, while leaving open the possibility that they have some sort of adjunct role.

The question is, should that adjunct role be delayed until there is a conviction for sexual assault, until charges are filed, or some other criteria?

Should a victim be allowed to request resolution through an internal process rather than the criminal justice system, which is something that happens:

First, way to step up to the plate. No condescending tone, just thank you for taking a shot.

So I'm assuming this rewording is in reference to this:

RAINN: "The FBI, for purposes of its Uniform Crime Reports, has a hierarchy of crimes — a ranking of violent crimes in order of seriousness. Murder, of course, ranks first. Second is rape. It would never occur to anyone to leave the adjudication of a murder in the hands of a school’s internal judicial process. Why, then, is it not only common, but expected, for them to do so when it comes to sexual assault? We need to get to a point where it seems just as inappropriate to treat rape so lightly."

Can we agree that RAINN:

1. Advocates for law enforcement (LE) to be involved in each and every instance of campus rape?

2. Equates rape being adjudicated by an internal judicial board with murder being adjudicated in a similar fashion? That both are equally unacceptable?

I'd like to get more information how, specifically, RAINN would like to see schools involved once a rape is reported. Certainly they want schools offering counseling and support for victims, but what about for the accused?

I'm also wondering to what extent they want internal judicial boards involved in proceedings. Clearly, though, they don't want any adjudication process being managed by the boards. Based on their White House recommendations, there's no reasonably way one could assume this to be true.

Restraining orders should be informative and decided by a judge. A panel of school administrators is not a judge, but they can follow one's lead in deciding action against students for criminal matters.

Here's some material on that.

Wookie, tell me something. How FURIOUS were you that day when I hurt your BFF Fly's feelings in that thread? SO mad, amirite? Just can't stand for berating Fly in Politics! Not on your watch, no sir.

None of what you write implies mutual exclusivity. It seems the best solution would be to professionalize the review boards.

Oh man. I was STEAMING MAD. You'd better email Mason and let him know that your ban was a tiltban, and that I should be demodded.

If RAINN had their way, the role review boards would play would NOT involve adjudicating instances of campus rape (Oh WAIT, my bad, I meant SEXUAL ASSAULT CODE VIOLATIONS). This makes me happy, and makes you and you brethren very displeased.

My god you are stupid

1. I think RAINN believes that the role of law enforcement is something that needs to be determined and put into explicit and formal language so that everyone understands what the police are supposed to do, but this role needs to be specific to each campus.

2. I believe that RAINN equates rape being solely adjudicated by an internal judicial board with murder being solely adjudicated in a similar fashion. Do you understand the difference?

In its recommendations, it wants colleges to investigate every claim of sexual assault reported, doing so in partnership with local law enforcement, and to impose meaningful, public sanctions when wrongdoing is found and crimes are substantiated. RAINN doesn't go into specifics, but if it holds that internal boards are not designed to handle sexual assault cases, that leaves open the possibility that RAINN finds it acceptable to re-design internal boards to better deal with its goal of investigating all reports of sexual assault and determining sanctions that may be on top of those imposed by the criminal justice system. I think RAINN prefers to leave it to the schools to determine the exact internal due process to use in these cases.

I'm very much going to avoid talking about the rights of the accused at this juncture (unless you - plural you- make it impossible) and I suggest you drop that tangent for now if you want honest discussion. Otherwise, I might conclude that you just care about trolling Fly and possibly about trying to make some MRA bs look reasonable.

If RAINN believed that they'd be just as stupid any one else who suggested that first review board adjudicate actual rape cases. They don't, that's a criminal act and public law. Review boards investigate breaches in codes of conduct which are private law. RAINN does not believe that private entities should be deregulated and not be able to review breaches in private law.

They, as stated many times believe that, currently, private review boards do not adequately measure up to ideas of fairness or investigatory ability in investigating private law or in facilitating action with criminal acts in public law. Some would agree. Therefore the solution would be in professionalize the investigators who investigate private law aka breaches in codes of conduct.

I disagree. I think RAINN feels instances of rape (criminal act) and/or sexual assault (private code violation) on campus need to be managed first and foremost by the police. I don't think RAINN wants campus boards adjudicating rape as either a public or private infringement; that they think doing so is inappropriate and makes light of a heinous crime.

"It would never occur to anyone to leave the adjudication of a murder in the hands of a school’s internal judicial process. Why, then, is it not only common, but expected, for them to do so when it comes to sexual assault? We need to get to a point where it seems just as inappropriate to treat rape so lightly."

Notice how they refer to both rape and sexual assault there. I guarantee you that schools framing instances of rape on campus as code violation assaults grossly offends everyone involved with the organization.