I have heard that somewhere before. I come from the perspective "learner's mentality" which is similar. Basically summed up as a conscious avoidance of rigid thinking balanced with an active practice of curiosity. Asking questions to discover the widest range of information available about a topic or person is a greater priority than asserting and defending opinions.

This is a philosophical approach, rather than political, but one which I have found useful in forming political opinions.

Hey guys, Fly is asserting his expertise while condemning dissenters as #dudeliterally not knowing anything. Because Fly knows best, and we should differ to his authority. Because he yells and uses profanity. Don't ask questions.

It's almost as if we've seen this before. 20,000 times.

Hey Fly, you should do that bit where you ask what purpose mandated reporting serves. Make sure you use that condescending tone, it's great for the lols.

To recap, you're the guy on record who doesn't want schools to be forced to pass along allegations of serial rape and murder to law enforcement. You're that guy. And your drooling, ignorant do-gooder ass actually thinks you're on the side of victims! You're comfortable with letting these heinous acts occasionally be managed EXCLUSIVELY by IRBs as code of ****ing conduct violations, where maybe, MAYBE a rapist will be correctly IDed, and where DEFINITELY they will continue raping innocent women regardless of kangaroo court outcomes.

Oh, oh wait. Did I say rape? "Sexual assault." So very sorry Fly, I know how contorted your jimmies get when I call rapists rapists and don't frame their behavior as being school code violations.

Fly, how happy are you that the Catholic church manages their **** internally? "I mean mandated reporting? What purpose does it serve, amirite?"

Fly is being an idiot but he has never suggested that schools exclusively handle rape allegations. Rather the opposite. It seems like neither of you are capable of actually reading people's posts without reading in what you want them to be saying

Yeah. Is that offensive? I thought it was a correct way to describe a person who uses anti-immigrant and homophobic attacks towards a person or group.

I thought I was declining to let you define the terms of the debate and enforce your own narratives, with a slight chance of inducing you to have spanktastic meltdown.

I'm not sure how anyone could read what Fly wrote and think he wants schools to exclusively handle rape allegations.

It isn't really a big philosophical thing. Empirical evidence trumps ideals.

That presupposes, like I said, that's there's a meaningful debate ongoing here. There isn't. What do you and I disagree about?

There's a reason I kept pestering people to identify what specific policies they want to fix what specific problems.

If Brian had bothered to read for comprehension instead of tone, I think he and Wookie and I agree about most everything, and all three of us heartily disagree with DIB's "no internal discipline" rule.

But Brian didn't do that, he kneejerked in favor of the guy liberals were being mean to, so he kinda guessed at what point DIB could have been making, filling in blanks along the way. Thus "schools don't do enough, so they should do nothing."

That just isn't the way an adult approaches the world. You don't learn more by throwing out some strongly worded opinion and then walking it back to "oh idk what anyone is talking about but rape is totes bad".

What makes you think that I care about what DiB said or thinks?!? My points stand alone.

You don't have points, though, that's the issue.

Fly's point is that schools should have the right to not necessarily report rape allegations to the cops, and to instead manage them internally as code violations.

I am fully in favor of them having checklists, flowcharts and decision trees rather than depending on them using their judgment.

That was the way things used to be. We had reasonable concern that those who needed help would not seek help if they knew that the helpers were required to involve the authorities.

It turns out that the concerns, although they made sense, had no basis in reality.

And what do you think I am supposed to do when I see a button?!?

Your lack of capacity to understand them is not a problem I have the inclination to solve. That would ruin this forum.

I like to start at the level of first pestering people to identify what specific problems they want to fix before pestering them about what specific policies they want to use to fix those problems.

Should we care what DIB thinks? Can we have a meaningful debate if it originates with something that DIB was talking about but we skip over whatever his actual points are and talk amongst ourselves while mostly ignoring him?

Haven't you been criticizing me for not throwing out a strongly-worded opinion?

I'd be interested in hearing the nature of the evidence. If you just mean changing to compulsory reporting didn't put anyone off reporting then that's mostly uninteresting. Or are you saying that there's strong evidence that there's no benefit in providing an independent confidential service to those who don't report to the school at all. Or worse that the independent confidential option causes harm either to the victim using the services or to potential future victims, you suggested something like this when you talked about removing the option of not reporting being a benefit.

I agree with others this seems a poor thread to have this discussion, I'm happy to see the serious bit moved.



You could enjoy it less

just move it to the drunk rape thread

or French BBV

Please don't move it to Alta

Tough to say what to extract but title along the lines of 'Should rape victim support necessarily involve the police?' would cover the bit I thought interesting. Schools having to report to police or not would be a subset of that.

AsianNit-

If you recall, what I told you to do was shut the **** up because you have no point and there's no debate or discussion here.

DIB, real quick, can you set out how you think it works now? Because none of your suggestions have been implemented, right, so the world today is actually operating along MY beliefs. Right?

So how do you think it works today that a "school"(meaning... something) could become aware of a murder and "manage it internally as a code violation."

You don't know what a school is? Have you learned about mandated reporting yet?

I am not clear on how a school becomes savvy to murder allegations, no.

Imagine a world where an RA hears a screaming student coming towards her. They talk, and the student says she witnessed her roomie get stabbed to death.

Pretend the student wants to not involve the cops because she's friends with the killer, so the school assembles the Kangaroo Crew instead, where the accused, if found guilty of "Murderous assault," or WTF ever the code violation would be, would be expelled.

This is laughable, so is treating rape this way.

But she wants to get her friend expelled? What?

Man, a look into the thought experiments DIB comes up with is a little terrifying.