Well, at least you got something in this thread correct. I might as well be talking to the ****ing wall for all the good it's done.

-Happy_Fish

I find your strict motive-based analysis of the "Smile, beautiful" phenomenon strange. You seem to be arguing that even if women happen not to like it, they really should, because the poor boys are just trying to cheer them up etc.

So I'll ask you, Happy_Fish, what cheers just about anyone up better than a good orgasm? Serious question. Orgasms cheer people up, don't they?

They can not like it if they don't want to, it doesn't matter to me. The only thing that I said, which I stand by, is that if you don't appreciate it, we're probably not going to get along in the first place. People can live their lives however they want, it's no skin off my ass. The vast majority of people, men and women, aren't worth getting to know in the first place.

Ice cream.

Then I really don't understand why you're putting any energy into this argument anyway.

Also, which post did I make that even brought this up? My post about the woman not wanting to get hit on in an elevator?

The serious question was whether or not orgasms cheer people up. But it matters not a whit, we'll go with ice-cream.

Suppose I jump you in the street and pinch your nose until you're forced to open your mouth and then force ice-cream down your throat.

You should be cool with that, right? Or, at least, it would be reasonable for me to say that if you weren't cool with that, you're the one that has the problem. Right? After all, I'm only trying to make you happy.

Because poker is boring and it's something to do while I play.

Also, can you at least try to put yourself in the position of the woman who doesn't want to hear it and why she wouldn't want to hear it? Are you capable of that level of empathy?

I don't really understand this debate over a man telling a woman to smile. I see what Gizmo said about it being condescending and it's obviously annoying. Giz would you feel the same way if a woman said that to you? I'm obviously male so I don't experience things like that but I have seen some examples before.

I waited tables at a fine dining restaurant in college. The waitresses had to wear miniskirts and fishnets. This was a big draw for the restaurant and many businessmen would hold meetings in the place as a result. We had a hostess who we were training to be a server. She was stunningly beautiful and very nice. I trained her on two occasions and couldn't believe how customers spoke to her. The first time she sold a nice bottle of wine and served it to four men at a table, the man who ordered it said as we walked away, "I wish I could buy her" . I know she heard it because I clearly did. I was astounded


Einbert, your conservative liberal diatribe was lolterrible. Do you really believe that ****?

Your ROI would increase if you paid attention, so maybe you should stop half assing it and give it a go.

You can't be this ****ing stupid. You just can't. I refuse to believe it.

Yes, I would find it condescending from a woman or a man, but from a man I would be little bit extra-uncomfortable.

I would like to know this as well.

Here be the REAL sexism, not imagined sexism.

Reading his other 'work', I'm certain that he does.

Wait, is this the post where you claim the moral high ground and display your empathy in all its abundance? If so, where is your empathy for gun owners?

Also, cite

Lirva, get out of here with that ****. Talk about sexism or no, otherwise leave to your own thread, thank you very much.

Ah, so you now emphatically reject your prior position that the motive of the actor should be the only consideration. Now, seemingly, the response of the person acted upon is definitely important.

So, given that it's very clear that women really don't like it when strangers tell them "Smile, beautiful!" aren't you bound, when judging the action, to take more into consideration than just the fact (uncertain in truth but here stipulated) that the stranger's motive is laudable?

Would you say someone supporting a war criminal is a legitimate reason for not wanting to have anything to do with them?

rawr!

but seriously, do you still use the word **** a bunch while hating people who use the word ***?

Gun control is incredibly sexist. Men are naturally stronger than women, so guns for personal protection can be more beneficial to women. It's odd that in general, people who talk about how destructive sexism is (liberals) support sexist gun control.

I've never used the word **** very often. That said, Mary Fallin is a hudge ****.

Or maybe one involves physical force and insertion of an unwanted item into their body. If you wanted to be a little bit more honest, you would make the comparison of a stranger offering to buy somebody an ice cream cone at a nearby stand. Of course, you're not interested in being honest.

It's clear that SOME women really don't like it. Just like some women might think the guy offering to buy them a chocolate ice cream cone is sexist too.

You use the word a lot in one of your songs.

I also have a song called you make me want to be like Ted Bundy, in which whores and sluts make me want to be like Ted Bundy. It doesn't mean I'm really like Ted Bundy though.

No, Happy_Fish, in spite of my attempts at clarity, evidently I have failed to make myself understood.

Your arguments ITT have hitherto been that because the guy's intentions are good, it's unreasonable for us to regard their actions negatively, right? So if you begin to take anything - anything - other than the motive of the actor into account, you are now in dangerous territory, you see? You are admitting that the motive of the actor is not the sole consideration.

So now we're at an impasse, albeit one that's likely to be brief. Moving on to the resolution of said impasse:

How many women do you think don't like it? What if it could be proven to you that the vast majority of them don't like it? Would you then change your position and agree with us that guys shouldn't do that?

I also have one about a guy looking at himself in a mirror and he's spitting and screaming at himself saying, "I hate you ******, **** you."

Art's just a weird thing I guess