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how on earth do you have any idea how anyone who YOU'VE NEVER MET BEFORE who is just walking down the street with a facial expression that could only be described as "not smiling" is feeling at that moment?

06-30-2013 , 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizmo

No, it's not the constant barrage from honkers. Even on a day where there is no honkers, wolf whistles, or come-ons, being told "to smile" is still going to make me think way less of the man and vacate his premises as soon as possible.

I guess we're just not meant to be.

06-30-2013 , 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Happy_Fish

To cheer up somebody who's feeling down? Did you really just ask this?

How is telling someone to smile going to cheer them up?

06-30-2013 , 06:10 PM

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"since when has demanding an unhappy person to smile ever made them suddenly stop being unhappy?"

LOL "demanding".

People who smile are happier? I know you don't like reading......

http://www.scientificamerican.com/ar...ke-you-happier

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We smile because we are happy, and we frown because we are sad. But does the causal arrow point in the other direction, too? A spate of recent studies of botox recipients and others suggests that our emotions are reinforced—perhaps even driven—by their corresponding facial expressions.

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According to many experts, smiling may not only be an outward manifestation of a happy feeling. It may actually be able to cause a happy feeling. It's the exact opposite of how most people see the smile-happiness connection, but with a growing body of evidence supporting the effect, it seems there may be something to it.

06-30-2013 , 06:11 PM

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Gonna start telling errrbody in the Politics forum SMILE, BITCH and make this a happier place.

06-30-2013 , 06:16 PM

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Scientists have known for a long time that emotions are accompanied by numerous changes in the body, from elevation in the heart rate to flexion of the zygomatic major muscle (i.e. smiling). However, we’ve come to understand more recently that it’s a two way street. Your brain actually pays attention to what your body is doing, and it affects your emotions. This was first called the “facial feedback hypothesis”, but it applies to more than just muscles of the face.

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Facial feedback works because the brain senses the flexion of certain facial muscles (like the zygomatic major, which is required to smile) and interprets it as “Oh I must be happy about something.” Similarly, if that muscle isn’t flexed then your brain thinks, “Oh, I must not be happy”.

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1. Smiling can make you happy (even when you're not).
Remember that mind-body connection we were just talking about? Well, it turns out that the simple act of smiling sends a message to your brain that you're happy. And when you're happy, your body pumps out all kinds of feel-good endorphins. This reaction has been studied since the 1980s and has been proven a number of times. In 1984, an article in the journal Science showed that when people mimic different emotional expressions, their bodies produce physiological changes that reflect the emotion, too, such as changes in heart and breathing rate. Another German study found that people felt happy just by holding a small pen clenched in their teeth, imitating a smile.

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06-30-2013 , 06:18 PM

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So, you're saying that men who tell women on the street to smile are doing it to make them happier... because they know there's something wrong in some stranger's life...

Can you see the mental gymnastics you're doing to argue about guys telling girls to smile is something that should just be something women are appreciative of. Like, what are you actually trying to argue at this point?

06-30-2013 , 06:21 PM

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SMILE GOD DAMN IT WOMAN YOU'LL BE HAPPIER

06-30-2013 , 06:22 PM

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I had no idea every man off the streets kept up with the science of smiling and were just referencing those studies in an attempt to cause physiological changes to elevate the moods of strangers. That's brilliant.

It ignores everything else, but it's something.

06-30-2013 , 06:24 PM

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People love to ascribe sinister motives where there are none.

When a guy honks at a girl jogging do you really think he's like "Haha, look at that stupid woman, I'm gonna make her feel self conscious by honking at her! That will show her!"

Do you really think when a guy says "you should smile more" he's thinking "Haha, I'm gonna patronize the hell out of her, this will be hillarious"

People flirt, and some people are really terrible at it. It's not more terribly complicated than that.

06-30-2013 , 06:24 PM

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I mean, technically biting a pencil uses the same muscles and elicits the same chemical reactions, so... just start handing out pencils and telling women to bite them?

06-30-2013 , 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill

I don't know why guys honk. I'm really curious why they do, actually.

But no, I don't think men have a sinister motive when they hit on women in bumbling ways, necessarily. However, that still doesn't make it okay or something I should just be happy to accept.

06-30-2013 , 06:26 PM

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Yes, guys will say this to cheer girls up. Your own post that started this entire ****show says:

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t seems to send a message to women that they should always strive to be at their most beautiful and they are not allowed to be sad or preoccupied lest they disappoint some random guy who is watching them as they walk down the street.

Personally, I don't give a **** if you appreciate it or not. However, if you don't appreciate and instead think that I'm doing it for a selfish reason, we're probably not going to get along. That's been my entire point for the entire amount of time I've wasted in this thread.

06-30-2013 , 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by airwave16

SMILE GOD DAMN IT WOMAN YOU'LL BE HAPPIER

As sarcastic as this post is, it's 100% true.

06-30-2013 , 06:27 PM

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Yes, guys will say this to cheer girls up. Your own post that started this entire ****show says:

You're mistaken by thinking that's my own post.

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I guess some people just really don't care about being self-aware.

06-30-2013 , 06:29 PM

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I'm not surprised you would disingenuously twist words around, that's just how you 'win' your battles on the internets. I've already said multiple times that it's POSSIBLE that a guy is just being an ******* when he yells it out, like your oh-so-clever comics that you post. Defaulting to the position "This guy is doing it for selfish reasons" is what I have a problem with, and why I would be unlikely to get along with a woman (or man) who's immediate reaction was "*******!"

06-30-2013 , 06:29 PM

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I mean, technically biting a pencil uses the same muscles and elicits the same chemical reactions, so... just start handing out pencils and telling women to bite them?

....................even for you that's pretty dumb.

06-30-2013 , 06:31 PM

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You don't have to accept it. It should be a clue as to why you see sexism everywhere, even when there is none, however.

06-30-2013 , 06:32 PM

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....................even for you that's pretty dumb.

??? How is that? Also, what else have I said that's dumb?
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/...-smile-therapy

06-30-2013 , 06:32 PM

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You don't have to accept it. It should be a clue as to why you see sexism everywhere, even when there is none, however.

And now you're not even trying.

06-30-2013 , 06:36 PM

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Defaulting to the position "This guy is doing it for selfish reasons" is what I have a problem with, and why I would be unlikely to get along with a woman (or man) who's immediate reaction was "*******!"

Oh good, at least we know you're TOTALLY AGAINST the strawman position you created that no one is taking. Thanks for contributing!

06-30-2013 , 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Cotton Hill

When a guy honks at a girl jogging do you really think he's like "Haha, look at that stupid woman, I'm gonna make her feel self conscious by honking at her! That will show her!"

No. Nobody thinks that. You ascribe this line of reasoning to those who disagree with you because it's easily dismissed, allowing you to portray yourself as the reasonable and obviously correct party in a trivial dispute.

You do this (I assume) because you're either stupid or not well educated (or both) and mostly don't understand the issues at hand. Since you can't confront the reality of your stupidity and/or lack of education, you create a pleasing fiction which portrays the issues you don't understand as something they're not - something you can understand and, in fact, can argue against persuasively in the limited way your facilities permit. That'll show 'em!

06-30-2013 , 06:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Gizmo

You're mistaken by thinking that's my own post.

I know it's not written by you, but you posted it.

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I guess some people just really don't care about being self-aware.

LOL being self-aware has nothing to do with it. I understand perfectly that anything at any time can be viewed as somehow demeaning and sexist. That's why I have said repeatedly I wouldn't/don't say things like this. However, I'm not going to stay up wringing my hands and worrying about the feelings of everybody on earth with a victim complex.