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Did y'all see GOT last night? Without posting spoilers openly... That one scene, which was set in a place usually considered consecrated, did it have rape?

04-21-2014 , 12:59 PM

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lol

04-21-2014 , 01:05 PM

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Its easy to shout at people that they're wrong, its harder to come up with a solution but thats not something you seem interested in anyway.

Bear in mind that this whole topic and most of the participants started with a discussion of sexism in video games and the men that denied it.

Getting people to recognize that there's a problem has been the majority of the battle.

04-21-2014 , 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Did y'all see GOT last night? Without posting spoilers openly... That one scene, which was set in a place usually considered consecrated, did it have rape?

Yes

04-21-2014 , 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Did y'all see GOT last night? Without posting spoilers openly... That one scene, which was set in a place usually considered consecrated, did it have rape?

Yes, that's unquestionably rape.

That scene works in the context of the story and makes sense for the characters, but given how much overlap there is with GoT's fanbase and MRA crowd I thought of this thread the moment I saw it and hated that they made that choice.

04-21-2014 , 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

Did y'all see GOT last night? Without posting spoilers openly... That one scene, which was set in a place usually considered consecrated, did it have rape?

she didn't say 'no'

04-21-2014 , 02:18 PM

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GOT SPOILERS

the director doesn't think so

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_factor...onsensual.html

04-21-2014 , 02:22 PM

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lol holy ****

even forchar would think it's rape

04-21-2014 , 02:26 PM

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Lol, case in point. That's exactly why we're having this discussion.

04-21-2014 , 02:28 PM

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I think the director's point is that from a storytelling perspective "she wanted it" by the end. That the character, if asked, would not say it was a rape and this is probably important to understand for the plot moving forward. Now I think the choice to put that on screen is ****ing terrible, but he's not really answering the "was it rape" question in the same context as the people who are asking that question.

04-21-2014 , 02:28 PM

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Graves claims the sex “becomes consensual by the end

mother of god

04-21-2014 , 02:39 PM

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My only guess was he didn't want the backlash from those who have read the books so he made that statement. If he's trying to portray it as anything that is not rape, then maybe cutting to black as he yells "I don't care" to her objections was not a good choice.

04-21-2014 , 02:39 PM

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I mean this is the way it was in the books, and I wouldn't think it's that terrible to put on screen if done like that, but I really don't see how it was intended AT ALL for viewers to think she wanted it by the end. She was palming his face and trying to push him away and saying stop until the very end of the scene. Gotta love the director's quote about it:

'That's one of my favorite scenes I've ever done.'

04-21-2014 , 03:26 PM

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If he was intending to do it like it was written then he did a poor job shooting it as it lost everything in the translation. In the book, it plays more like she wants Jaime but wants it taken elsewhere... but she seems to change her mind.

The tv version looks more like she was completely against it and went for it.

04-21-2014 , 03:30 PM

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Yeah- when I watched that I thought it was just a straight rape and it wasn't until I read Sepinwall (man, that guy, he gets worse and worse) that I thought it was anything else. Not a well executed scene at all given what they were going for.

04-21-2014 , 03:39 PM

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Oh, but it was a great scene! I'm not sure how to fit anymore repulsive absurdity into it, but then they made it legitimately rapey.

04-21-2014 , 03:44 PM

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Lol I just started watching the show finally after reading the books, after reading about that scene, i'm sorta turned off, because Jaime is my favorite character.

04-21-2014 , 03:50 PM

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Lol I just started watching the show finally after reading the books, after reading about that scene, i'm sorta turned off, because Jaime is my favorite character.

You basically have to view any character Martin writes knowing that he's got totally ****ed up and immature ideas about women and sex. There's a lot of casually referenced rape in the series, and I think Martin just somewhat excuses it as a product of the time and atmosphere (that he invented).

Of the many things the show has fixed from the book, it bothers me that that's not one of them (although they have cut some of the more idiotic stuff with Dany).

04-21-2014 , 04:06 PM

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I've seen little bits of that show at random and every time someone is getting raped. The only time I've seen the dragons is in Gizmo's avatar.

04-21-2014 , 04:25 PM

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I don't remember that many rapes in the show. I'd chalk that up to variance. I never really understood your complaints about GRRM's use of sex in the series. Also while it is his world, he's largely basing it off of our world.

04-21-2014 , 04:28 PM

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Yeah- the only on screen rape I can recall off the top of my head (which is foggy as hell right now) was when the Dothraki take the Lamb people in S1. Lots of threats/implications though.

04-21-2014 , 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Dids

You basically have to view any character Martin writes knowing that he's got totally ****ed up and immature ideas about women and sex. There's a lot of casually referenced rape in the series, and I think Martin just somewhat excuses it as a product of the time and atmosphere (that he invented).

Of the many things the show has fixed from the book, it bothers me that that's not one of them (although they have cut some of the more idiotic stuff with Dany).

Errr, men on GOT are portrayed pretty horribly themselves.

04-21-2014 , 04:41 PM

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Yes and?

Martin writes a lot of characters who are ****ty people. That's one thing.

He also writes a lot of scenes about women and sex with one hand. That's a different thing. There are no random diversions about Tyrion being given a handjob by Podrick to help him get over his feelings.

I don't know if that's what you're going for, but this thread is full of people playing this weird equivalency game where somehow something ****ty about women is excuse if the medium is differently ****ty about men as well.