I'm ignoring the subject at hand by responding to arguments you're making against me?

Also, why do you think that I'm just trying to shame people? If sexist views can be demonstrated to be similarly bad to racist views, then my point isn't just "you should be ashamed of yourself", it's "maybe you should reconsider the views you have that paint sexism in such a positive light".

Which views of me are sexist? And I want quotes.

Most recent formula? Shouldnt you say pretty much the only formula that has existed over most cultures. Men and women choose their mate from different requisites. Have you ever asked yourself honestly if that can be the reason for how media/society looks? Or is the more logical answer that the PATRIARCHY has used its force over most cultures on our globe to repress women so that the men gets to bath in glory.

This is such an incredibly childlike way of looking at the content of games that 1. I question whether or not you're even capable of debating this intelligently, and 2. it's hilarious that you make posts like "you have some learning to do about the world" to whatthejish. Like, you're intentionally ignoring any subtext here SO hard to specifically look only at the surface: "man save woman, how can anything be wrong with that! man love woman! proof right there!"

It's because the purpose of the women in these games is not to be well-rounded characters. The entire reason women exist in these games is to be saved by men, because they can't save themselves, they need men to protect them and keep them safe. This is some 1500s-era commentary on the role of women in society and men as their keepers.

Explain in detail what you think was wrong with my analysis of whatthejish's comment. And don't back out by ignoring it again.


That's what YOU make of it. You are biased in seeing women as helpless victims, not as equal humans in need of help. Many people also see saving someone as a sign of caring. Sacrificing your life to safe someone is a sign of caring, not a sign of hatred of women or disrespecting them as unequal humans. By the way, there are also games where the objective is to safe men. These men are now disrespected "objects" or are they humans who are valued and in need of help?

I'm not suggesting something's wrong with it, it's just interesting that you see yourself in a position to tell someone else how much learning they have to do about the world while obstinately refusing to look any deeper into what these games are saying.

Uh, when the entire point of a woman's existence in a game is to be saved and make sure her hair looks good for when the super duper man comes to rescue her, it's not showing her as an "equal human".

I think you've been mistaken about something for a long time in this thread.

Nobody's saying the main character hates women. We're saying the people making the game do (or are too stupid/lazy to put depth into their female characters), or that the game itself displays misogynistic views.

The majority of men in a video game are deep well rounded characters whose sole purpose in the game is to die in an attempt to stop the hero from reaching an objective.

When it comes to using a woman as a plot device. Why is that wrong? Men have through the ages died to protect women so that makes it a logical device to use in a simple story. Would it be better if the hero risked life and limb to save a block of cheese?

You can tell the same story, only having a woman saving a man.

Exactly what I expected. So you agree he was wrong and my analysis was right, but still you illogically disagree with me based on personal feelings. That's not even an argument, it's just nonsense.


These games are made for men. And men, for some weird reason, LOVE saving people, and especially women. This has NOTHING to do with the women but everything to do with the drive of men to safe people. Men themselves get saved in games by other men as well. And there's nothing wrong with making these games. It's actually the good side of humans, not the bad side.


The people making these games do not hate women at all. And they are not misogynistic(hatred of women) for making games where the main goal is to SAVE A VALUABLE WOMAN. The fact that most of the main characters are male is because these games are mostly bought by men. Making games for men is not a terrible thing we need to correct. Men are free to play the games they want to play.

That's true. But these games are mostly made for men. The majority of buyers are men. And that's probably because those men love saving people and protecting them from harm in the form of an action game. It's not a bad thing.

@934 Your argument is that men should never have to change.

Why not just always make all the characters white? The majority of players are white, and those white people enjoy saving other white people from harm. I don't see anything wrong with that.

White people have historically owned other people. Why should white people have to change?

Why not? It's wrong. It's messed up to only save white people. Normal games have the objective to save anyone, black or white doesn't matter. Which kind of games are you playing?

Again, straw man. It isn't wrong to have a female (or a male) as a plot device. It's how we handle their depiction that matters.

This isn't an "everyone needs to be PC" issue, it's an honest recognition of the value systems we impose on men and women of all ages.

See what I did there?

I agree. Having a woman kill hordes of other women to save a man. Would that bring in the huge untapped market of female gamers? Or is it more about the premise that keeps women away?

Yeah I do. And it still doesn't change that normal games have the objective to save anyone. Males get saved as well. The most valuable people to the main character get saved.

Exactly. If women are so keen on changing the gender roles, make this game and lose all your investments because not enough women are going to buy it. This whole thing is just total feminist female victimhood BS.

Hey guys, totally not racist game here. Just catering to its market, trying to make a buck. Don't hate.

"Why not have women save men?"
"Well most game consumers are men so that doesn't really make sense."
"Most game consumers are white, should we just make all the characters white?"
"That's wrong! That's messed up!"

I don't even need to exaggerate anything, the joke writes itself.

LOL. Repeating what others have already said and has already been refuted. If not, respond to that instead of copying what others say.

Nobody has ever said racist games are good. Nobody has ever said misogynistic games are good either. Saving women is not misogynistic.

I'm not sure if you see what's going on there but you refuted yourself. It's obvious you're hopelessly entrenched in your position with no chance of ever changing it, but the hilarious contradictions you present being obvious to anyone else reading this thread (and they are) is sufficient for me to be happy.

Are we out of thoughts again?

Try that instead ok?