swissmiss- I absolutely will not give you any credit for anything, as you've never demonstrated the slightest amount of actual curiosity, open-mindedness, or willingness to put in any effort whatsoever into responding to arguments made by other people.

AFAIK, your primary method of self-expression consists of incoherently whining about your feelings being hurt by proxy, and also you lie about ****:
Like, why are you even invested in defending that ****? You don't know Tosh or BruceZ, but here you are. You even defended Richards' bit WHILE ADMITTING YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT HE SAID.

****ing garbage. You're human garbage, unworthy of anyone's respect. And you'll never be more than that. Enjoy that.

It is not only I who says race is a invalid concept. It is many a) biologist b) social scientists c) anti colonialist movements d) in the EU commission e) philosophers and I am sure many more.

But you can read up on a balanced view here: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/race/

I don't think that anyone even remotely reasonable would expect any different from you.

Wee little barky dogs make wee little barky dog sounds.

If you don't think I put a tremendous amount of effort into answering you, you undervalue how hard it is to stay calm when discussing things with you. Or you think you never ever actually made an argument.

We've moved on to using "ethnic group."

"Race" is still useful as a concept to describe how some people conceptualize ethnic groups as in-group(s) and out-group(s).

Nah, man. You don't need to be religious to describe and understand a 'Holy War', you know?

I'm not talking about me. I saw through your **** real quick. Took me a bit to understand it wasn't just the language barrier.

It's other people who try to engage you, seriously, as if you were a human beiong, and you insult those people with each and every paragraph of incoherent, dishonest, nonresponsive whiny gibberish. You don't read, you don't comprehend, you guess at what you think they might have been saying and then whine about it. Every single time.

I don't want you to stay calm, I want you to shut the **** up.

Hä? My feelings weren't hurt so far other then by people thinking I was this gun guy and I am as bad as Ikes.



Look, I know we disagree about this. But I wouldn't call you a liar just because of it. You have some obsession with exposing me lying I don't understand.


I know BruceZ now. But I defend people on principle. Now ok, that might be my biggest fault, I am kinda trying to get over being guided by principles. I only defended Richards' bit after having seen it. I first refused to comment on it. You are lying now.

Hm. Since I am unable of any curiosity I wont ask why.

Well, obviously not everybody has. Can you link me to a paper for the later one? I guess it must be an US thing?

Yes I understand all this. But if you don't explain this then I default to the colloquial usage of race.

I mean you basically retreated to a vague argument so I'm not going to address it really. You think racism is bad but trying to shame people who are being racist (heckling) is also bad. Much sophistry.

When you feed the troll, it doesn't go away. It keeps coming back for that sweet, sweet attention that sustains it.

Yeah, I am pretty sure you did?

What? Look, I know some of my posts are gibberish. But you take every little thing I admit of doing wrong and just hang on to it. It is not helpful because it puts me into defensive mode and I have to work hard to overcome that and actually see, where you are right. If this is what you call whining, ok.

As I told you before, that isn't going to happen, so you might question your approach.

Then do, I couldn't possibly explain it better then the SEP.

Who was shaming a racist by heckling? In Richards' case they were saying he is not funny before he went on his tirade. So heckling is ok? When?

Everybody posting in this forum loves attention. There is nothing wrong with it. Maybe attention is the real currency in our world.

Never mind, found it.

Fyi

Saying "you can't rape the willing" itt will get you banned for 3 days. This is a joke we have all heard before, but yet jjshabado takes it as me advocating rape? Wtf man get your mod head out of your azz.

She is saying that it's a (= the?) property of comedy clubs (as part of an earlier-referenced larger whole about humour generally which was pretty interesting and it's too bad it didn't get developed) that comedians joke about rape, race, war, child abuse, suicide, addiction, masturbation, terrorism, slavery, prostitution, pedophilia, poverty, etc. They are not venues for serious discussion of issues, so those topics being raised in a comedy set means they're going to be raised specifically to make light of them to an adult audience:

"I was raped by a doctor, which led to mixed feelings because I am Jewish." (Sara Silverman)

"If you want to know the dangers of an underground cab, just ask a rape victim." "Nononono don't ask them, they just cry and it's really awkward." (Ricky Gervais)

Depending on who is speaking and their audience a joke lands differently -- Russell Peters can be funny with racial stereotypes but from a white comedian the same jokes wouldn't be funny at all. Heckling a performer is bad form under normal circumstances, but given the above information about what a comedy show is, to heckle a comedian for not taking a serious topic seriously is like writing a letter to Fox regarding Family Guy.

Basically the point is that whether a joke is welcome depends a few things, timing and taste especially, but separately, it's unrealistic to expect a comedian not to make them, which is what the heckler did. Because the expectation is unrealistic (again returning to the nature of a stand-up comedy show) a ban on obscene comedy is inappropriate while that same restriction is an enhancement in another environment like the workplace.

Do you understand?

Yes I understand the claim she was trying to make. But to say that there is some magic force field that exempts comedians from social responsibility is complete nonsense.

I understand that there are a lot of people who feel so burdened by societies social mores that they need a special place to go to less loose with their racism, sexism, etc.

Sorry, I don't find any rape jokes funny. It's cool if people need a special place to go be misogynists but they are still misogynists.

I feel like you are scanning posts to look for opportunities to inject strawmen and accusations rather than making a good-faith effort to understand her position. She is answering you seriously and you should at least afford her the same consideration she is giving you, if your objective is to have a discussion.

You're pouting. This is a gross mischaracterization of comedy shows that makes it seem like you haven't seen very many; wondering if that's the case or if the mischaracterization was deliberate, and if so why you did that.

God dammit I am gonna let you write all my posts from now on:-)



I don't think there is a thing as social responsibility, but I am pretty sure we don't use the same definition again.

It is one theory why jokes exist. Sorry for linking again, but it is called the relief theory of humor: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/humor/#RelThe

Come on the Sarah Silverman one is brilliant.

Yeah, it's a trap I used to fall into all the time, thinking I wasn't being understood so I explained again and again and again (hence my post count even though I participate in very few individual threads) -- it's a big joke people here play (lol @ me) so don't feel like you need to respond to each and every post directed at you if they fall below a certain standard. Like I described the perspective of someone who's been raped and later got called a rapist because the poster assumed I'm a man. Just ignore them, unfortunately the theatre makes it nearly impossible to have an adult discussion here.

Edit, I guess it's a matter of where each one of us draws the line -- I can't/won't watch GoT where they fire a crossbow into a woman's vagina and use women being raped as background scenery and the most capable and clever women are absent their femininity (the knight and the little tomboy) but don't really care about rape jokes because the first shows a total coldness towards it while the jokes are jokes because it is acknowledged implicitly it is at least a medium-sized deal and not a prop. I think reasonable people can have different viewpoints about this without themselves being misogynistic, raping pieces of ****.

Thank you very much! I kinda want to rape your tits with my tongue for that. (Sorry it is just a bad joke!)

Edit: Of course I don't and I implying as much was just a stupid way to show how I think a lot of posts are working.

The problem with the tosh joke was not that he initially told a rape joke. As I said before, social commentary jokes are better when they're punching upwards rather than putting people down, but that is a personal preference and so I didn't like the initial joke myself, but that's just my opinion. It was the response to the heckler that I have an issue with. No doubt it is rude to heckle. I find it incredibly terrible to then turn around and say "wouldn't it be funny if like 5 guys raped you right now?". There are ways to respond to heckling that is funny. What he did in response was not okay, IMO.

You know, I get that a lot.


No, wait, that's not true.


Anyway sorry for bringing personal stuff into it, just wanted to say I understand your meaning and register my frustration that this thread gets worse every week.