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09-01-2014 , 12:57 AM
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Originally Posted by omnishakira
it's kind of awkward to open a thread in PU that isnt about racism

So ill try to move this into that direction



My girlfriend is white

Coincidence ? I think not.
lol I just read this, very apt.
09-01-2014 , 01:08 AM
In theory, I like the black girls with the large athletic asses.
09-01-2014 , 07:40 AM
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Originally Posted by P.R.
I was asking you to substantiate this claim, not put it next to an objectively true statement and call them a set.
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=...ed=0CBoQgQMwAA
09-01-2014 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by herbertstemple
You undervalue the word friend in boy friend. You are just equating it with her going out and getting laid. This woman needs someone that cares for her and will listen to her, try to understand her and support her. She needs some type of refuge, an emotionally safe place between her and her ****ass children. What could possibly more important than her having a strong loving relationship with a man? I know to you this is sexist, but you being a woman should realize this. She is a middle aged woman, you are not, I am a middle aged man. I know how important that relationship is and the hole it leaves if you don't have it.

I feel bad for gobbos mom here but I fear to you she is just an object.
Dude, it was you who said "You can not tell females to not do something she wants to do. They will not listen", right?

So let's not pretend you've got some deep empathetic insights.

The "needs a boyfriend" statement doesn't seem sexist to me, but I can certainly see how someone would interpret it that way, especially given that you led with such sexist garbage.
09-01-2014 , 10:04 AM
Yup. Of course the guy who doesn't give women enough credit to be able to communicate thinks the best solution for a woman's problem is some good deep dickin.

Everybody needs support, that's hardly insight.
09-01-2014 , 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2

Prior to the Enlightenment women's "natural frailty" was considered God's will and used to justify excluding them from participation in intellectual and economic life. Post-Enlightenment the rationale has attempted some scientific cachet but is more or less unchanged from the Victorian era: Men are 'bad at' feelings because their minds are full of knowledge and reason, while women's minds are largely empty leaving lots of space for feelings. You've thrown your lot in with young-earthers on this subject and I think that was a mistake.

I know what you're doing when you place men's alleged clumsiness at expressing themselves as the reference point rather than the more common one of women's natural talent for it. It's patronizing, don't do it.

It's weird that you didn't search for what you claimed: Women's superiority at feelings. You instead settled for differences. If your attempt were genuine you'd see that the observable differences are absent when children are with their parents and initially only conform to gender roles in the presence of strangers, that this is furthermore inconsistent from one culture to the next, and, moreover, are highly dependent on situation and context.

You need to specify which women, from which background, are better at expressing which emotion (pride, anger, sadness, excitement, anxiety, fear, satisfaction, etc.), in whose company, followed by why.
09-01-2014 , 01:16 PM
Is it sexist for me to enjoy the leaked pictures because the women are insanely hot?

Can I get a ruling?
09-01-2014 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference
Prior to the Enlightenment women's "natural frailty" was considered God's will and used to justify excluding them from participation in intellectual and economic life. Post-Enlightenment the rationale has attempted some scientific cachet but is more or less unchanged from the Victorian era: Men are 'bad at' feelings because their minds are full of knowledge and reason, while women's minds are largely empty leaving lots of space for feelings. You've thrown your lot in with young-earthers on this subject and I think that was a mistake.
No, you are confusing me with someone else. I agree entirely with the characterization other than the bit regarding me.

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I know what you're doing when you place men's alleged clumsiness at expressing themselves as the reference point rather than the more common one of women's natural talent for it. It's patronizing, don't do it.
Again, confusing me with someone else. I don't even know what this "natural talent" would look like. No one is born with the ability to express their emotions in complex ways.

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It's weird that you didn't search for what you claimed: Women's superiority at feelings. You instead settled for differences. If your attempt were genuine you'd see that the observable differences are absent when children are with their parents and initially only conform to gender roles in the presence of strangers, that this is furthermore inconsistent from one culture to the next, and, moreover, are highly dependent on situation and context.
Children are rarely called "woman" or "man."

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You need to specify which women, from which background, are better at expressing which emotion (pride, anger, sadness, excitement, anxiety, fear, satisfaction, etc.), in whose company, followed by why.
Western modern civilizations. The reason why is probably because we tend to raise boys and girls differently.
09-01-2014 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by champstark
Is it sexist for me to enjoy the leaked pictures because the women are insanely hot?

Can I get a ruling?
No more than it is racist to enjoy tacos.
09-01-2014 , 01:24 PM
do the tacos also have to be insanely hot for it not to be racist?
09-01-2014 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Anais
do the tacos also have to be insanely hot for it not to be racist?
No, they can be mild.
09-01-2014 , 01:28 PM
whew! i've turned into a spice wimp as i get older. good to know i'm not developing food insensitivities
09-01-2014 , 01:29 PM
that may be the cleverest thing i've ever written
09-01-2014 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Anais
that may be the cleverest thing i've ever written
You should have used "intolerance" in place of "insensitivity" but otherwise good work.
09-01-2014 , 01:45 PM
maybe, food sensitivities tho
09-01-2014 , 01:54 PM
hit it with the spice weasel?
09-01-2014 , 02:10 PM
i believe you meant to post that in mat's sex with animals thread

09-01-2014 , 02:43 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
No, you are confusing me with someone else. I agree entirely with the characterization other than the bit regarding me.
In defending a guy who said women are more emotional and sensitive than men (it's what makes them such amazing moms, after all!), you ldo'd,

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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
You think that noting that women tend to be better than men at expressing their emotions is sexist?
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
sex/gender roles do actually exist.

It isn't that men aren't emotional. It is that they tend to not be particularly skilled at acknowledging/understanding/expressing emotions.
He relied on what he called averages. You rely heavily on the phrase tend to -- in other words he offered up a stereotype to defend some other guy, and you corroborated it with this same stereotype, and somehow this makes it axiomatic. To support this you directed me to gender differences in emoticon use, come on.

Why did you say women tend to be better at expressing their emotions?

Why did you apparently exclude physical aggression as emotional expression? (And if you don't exclude it, why do you nevertheless hold that women are more expressive and men somewhat repressed?)

I just think you hold some highly antiquated and damaging beliefs, including what you would consider "emotional" and attribute to women and what you wouldn't (more on this here.)
09-01-2014 , 03:04 PM
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Western modern civilizations. The reason why is probably because we tend to raise boys and girls differently.
This is what I'm trying to explain: Which emotions get expressed, and how, are socially and contextually dependent -- fMRI studies have shown that women automatically suppress certain categories, men others, most probably through years of gentle conditioning, and this obviously changes the degree to which the emotion is experienced; neither struggled with articulation. But your position was much, much broader: women are more attenuated to their feelings, full stop. I'm sorry you feel like you're being accused of spitting a dusty stereotype, but that's what you did.
09-01-2014 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference
In defending a guy who said women are more emotional and sensitive than men (it's what makes them such amazing moms, after all!), you ldo'd,
No, it is them being moms that makes them better at it. Are you attempting to say that we don't train them for the role?

I never said at all that women are more emotional. I'm not sure why you are focusing on the fact that I piped up after masque opened his mouth. This isn't some team sport. I am quite clearly on record as stating that masque doesn't understand social science stuff. He gets extremely emotional when he reads me saying stuff like that.

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He relied on what he called averages. You rely heavily on the phrase tend to -- in other words he offered up a stereotype to defend some other guy, and you corroborated it with this same stereotype, and somehow this makes it axiomatic. To support this you directed me to gender differences in emoticon use, come on.

Why did you say women tend to be better at expressing their emotions?
They are. Men typically are not well-trained in expressing their emotions. Our response set tends to be much more limited.

Would you say that a claim that women tend to be paid less than men for the same job is a stereotype?!?

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Why did you apparently exclude physical aggression as emotional expression? (And if you don't exclude it, why do you nevertheless hold that women are more expressive and men somewhat repressed?)
I didn't do any of that. I said that women tend to be more skilled. Having to resort to displays of aggression is a sign of low skill.

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I just think you hold some highly antiquated and damaging beliefs, including what you would consider "emotional" and attribute to women and what you wouldn't (more on this here.)
I am rapidly coming to the conclusion that you are not reading a word I am saying.
09-01-2014 , 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Poker Reference
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This is what I'm trying to explain: Which emotions get expressed, and how, are socially and contextually dependent -- fMRI studies have shown that women automatically suppress certain categories, men others, most probably through years of gentle conditioning, and this obviously changes the degree to which the emotion is experienced; neither struggled with articulation. But your position was much, much broader: women are more attenuated to their feelings, full stop. I'm sorry you feel like you're being accused of spitting a dusty stereotype, but that's what you did.
You keep adding in the "full stop." Do you have a reading comprehension disability?

I said that women tend to be better at expressing their emotions. A fit of angry aggression is a sign of being extremely emotional and not being skilled.

I am not at all where you are getting that I think men are less emotional. I don't. This is mostly because they aren't.

Last edited by BrianTheMick2; 09-01-2014 at 03:28 PM.
09-01-2014 , 05:46 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
You have pretty detestable positions on most anything you've discussed ITF that I've come across, but that doesn't necessarily make you a terrible person.

But yeah, taking a 7 year hiatus then returning with such a splash almost has to involve an interesting story...and it did. I was interested about what it might involve.
Still seems dishonest, have you asked other posters with gaps in their posting histories to clarify them? But whatever, don't want to tard up the thread any more as I already did. Only wanted to clarify, that I was talking about the gap between ca. 2010 and now. I registered in 2007 after having started playing poker and having read my first book.
09-01-2014 , 06:06 PM
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Originally Posted by BrianTheMick2
You keep adding in the "full stop." Do you have a reading comprehension disability?

I said that women tend to be better at expressing their emotions. A fit of angry aggression is a sign of being extremely emotional and not being skilled.

I am not at all where you are getting that I think men are less emotional. I don't. This is mostly because they aren't.
What do you attribute this to?
09-01-2014 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
What do you attribute this to?
If you mean "what do I attribute this to" in the normal manner, I attribute it to how we tend to raise our children. Boys tend to be encouraged to act stereotypically male.
09-01-2014 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by herbertstemple
This woman needs a boy friend.

To me OP's mother sounds like a lonesome middle aged woman that has very few people to talk to. She is divorced and has a daughter that has already shut her out of her life and a son that is in the process of doing that. She needs someone else in her life and the most obv thing is a male companion. How this is sexist is beyond me. The first statement I can understand your reaction, but you having a problem with this second statement leads me to think you are throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks.
it hasn't been sexism- it's been ageism- with a whole lot of pop psychology mixed in. I haven't addressed any of it because in order to set the record straight I'd have to denigrate my son, and I can't/ won't do that.
In short: I am not lonely, my daughter has not shut me out of her life, I work at 2 jobs that bring me great satisfaction and hardly provide the time to sleep adequately, much less drink profusely. I love my son and sometimes miss him and his dog alot, especially when my peer group discusses the time they get to spend with their children. He has misjudged my sparse online communications with him, and that's all I'll say about it.

Last edited by gobbomom; 09-01-2014 at 07:27 PM.

      
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