Are you going to open up 3 more threads on this breaking issue too?

So that's 1 guy who three backed?


That's 2 PEOPLE you were wrong about?!
Gosh what are the odds? It's almost like I know something. Like... I'm not driven by misogny at all, but a thing called factual evidence!

don't even need a rebuttle~ going to walk away.

Man I really hope you don't actually watch Anita's videos. Piracy is not something I condone.

It's not actually piracy, bye.

And it's no different than your drawings.

Hey Gizmo how about some quotes from you or are you making stuff up?

I have been watching the ponies with my 5 year old. What a great show! The episode we watched yesterday dealt with bullies and how to treat people nicely.

I'm concerned that an administrator at his school referred to the show as a girl's show and implied boys shouldn't watch it.

Is that gender discrimination or is that reinforcing arbitrary gender roles? Both?

It could easily be both IMO.

Why in the actual **** am I supposed to care about this Anita chick and the people she sleeps with?

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/34...y-mom-1469570/

(1) You can not tell females to not do something she wants to do. They will not listen.
(2) You can not tell your mother to not do something she wants to do. She will not listen.
(3) You can not tell a drunk to not something they want to do. They will not listen.

Above is the link to the thread that inspired my "sexist" post.

The point I was making in the first highlighted comment is this. OP of this thread(gobbo) was having issues with his mother and the last sentence of the 2ond paragraph is " I often asked her not to do this and to be quite honest she pretty much point blank told me not to tell her what to do." There were several posts following advising OP to tell his mom this or that. All
in all, some terrible advice. This part of my post was my way of telling OP that he had 3 strikes against him when he was trying to tell her something.

Although I can see where Gizmo is coming from here, she still misses my point entirely. To me it is her not being able to see past her politics.

Gizmo highlighted my first point but not the next two. I'm assuming she is not yet a mother or a drunk.

This woman needs a boy friend.

To me OP's mother sounds like a lonesome middle aged woman that has very few people to talk to. She is divorced and has a daughter that has already shut her out of her life and a son that is in the process of doing that. She needs someone else in her life and the most obv thing is a male companion. How this is sexist is beyond me. The first statement I can understand your reaction, but you having a problem with this second statement leads me to think you are throwing mud against the wall to see what sticks.

If my post is the best example of sexism you can find, and you did start this thread with it, then it's safe to say that there is little to no sexism on 2 + 2. Gizmo, you can rejoice in that.

Gizmo,
if you are going to start a thread like this by quoting someone, I believe that it is fair to PM them and let them know so they can explain their position or what they were thinking. I think its what a fair minded person would do. After all, it is possible that you made a mistake isn't it?

Gizmo,
when you want to do something and you and you are told not, what happens?

FWIW, I would much rather be considered a sexist by you than be one of the spineless, pandering little wimps that follow you around agreeing with you.

herb

Why is the most obvious companion for a woman "obviously a guy". You undervalue the importance of friendship. And if your point was that you can't tell an adult not to do something, that would be different. It's the use of "female" specifically. And yes, I suppose your mother quip was sexist as well. Alcoholics can be either sex, though.

So all women are basically interchangeable and need a man to make their life complete?

No sexism there...

Thoughts about this, and how school dress codes should be structured/presented?

I can definitely see how, "Wearing that skirt distracts the boys," is an element of rape culture, but similarly I'm not comfortable with 7th graders wearing miniskirts or pants that sag to their knees. I suppose it's more an appropriateness/decency thing.

http://m.thenation.com/blog/181375-g...ol-dress-codes

Probably just one of the more recent examples.

Of course, since then we've had unicorn lord freaking out over some girl making out with a guy, which led to his "women are responsible for the death threats they get" quip

This post and the BruceZ one that sparked it.

You think that noting that women tend to be better than men at expressing their emotions is sexist? How about that they tend to be better at investing than men, tend to prefer toilet seats to be put in the down position, and have been shown to be much more likely than men to give birth.

If anything, his comments were misandrogynous and I wasn't offended.

The reference of women as "emotional" has long been used to demean.

Correct. In this case it wasn't demeaning though.

You failed to see Bruce's outburst as emotional? I'd guess that most men don't consider it as emotional, despite it clearly being so. Most men would also not be capable of noticing that what masque actually did in that post was effectively mount Bruce.

Men being stereotyped as not emotional is in the same category as women being stereotyped as too emotional. A couple of wrongs that add up to certain kinds of political and religious thinking.

Except that sex/gender roles do actually exist. Ignoring the issue doesn't make it disappear.

It isn't that men aren't emotional. It is that they tend to not be particularly skilled at acknowledging/understanding/expressing emotions. I am quite sure that Gizmo correctly acknowledges that men are more likely to feel and act out on feelings of aggression. She probably doesn't even think that it is sexist to claim that men are more likely to be rapists than women are.

None of that seems to indicate that men are less emotional than women.

LOLgiz. Suggesting someone needs a boyfriend/girlfriend/partner because of loneliness is used all the time regardless of whoever it is talking about, or what their sex is. It's probably even used more frequently for men than women, and no that's not some reverse sexism point, because it's not sexist against men either. Holy ****

Like you even undermine your own point by saying whoever you quoted undervalues friendship, that's all it is.