That ass tho

i only see two legs

how does that a centaur make?

Centaurs are women with disproportionately large asses relative to their body type.

Also used to refer to half-human, half-horse beings.

But you know, respectfully...

Don't like Serena but lol at thinking she isn't deserving after her 2015.

Spieth might be a pretty close runner up, though.

Also, post #25, yes please!

Yup...her ass is much bigger than shown.

Curry would get my vote. Interestingly IIRC an "amateur" hasn't won this particular award since the early 60s.

not including the collegiate coaches who won, since i wouldn't consider them amateurs...

1994 - bonnie blair and koss the boss...

1987 - award split multiple ways, a few amateurs involved...

1984 - america's sweetheart and edwin moses...

1980 - usa olympic hockey team...

so if you consider olympic athletes amateurs (and given the sports and/or time they competed in, i'm willing to call them amateurs), there's been a few... other than that, yup, gotta go back to 1966 to find jim ryun... what is interesting (and reflects a shift in the american sporting culture) is that of the first 13 recipients (starting in 54 with bannister through ryun in 66), 6 were amateurs, and the rest came from baseball, boxing or golf... with the one exception of pete rozelle, who wasn't even an athlete...

there are a few on the list that i bet they wish they could take back... pete rose comes to mind...

I don't know, it seems steroids does more damage to the game than betting does. Does having a juiced A-rod or McGwire seems likely to throw more games than a guy placing bets does.

dunno... i'm not fond of either situation... so to be fair, i'd throw mcgwire/sosa onto the "possibly regret choosing" list, as well as lance armstrong... being a pretty big cycling fan, i have to be fair and put lance on the top of the list... not only is he a lying cheat, he destroyed other people's lives in the process...

We are agreed

lol @ Brady. You are aware he is a major cheater, right?

This is all wrong.

Of course, to be fair, I should ask for clarity on what you mean by "more damage", and to whom.

how i interpreted it:

does betting on the game affect the "integrity" of the game more than the artificial numbers that were put up affect the "integrity" of the game?

answer: yes...

both can potentially change the outcome... as much as i want to demonize pete more here (because i find him to be a totally odious person, and i hated him as a player), i can't...

if anything, the roid era* hurt baseball as a sport more long term...

a) the actions of many have affected the perception of all... take mike piazza... painted as a roid user by many writers (and kept out of the hof) because he "had acne on his back" and was a great hitter... did mike use? no idea... but i do know that there is zero evidence that he did...

b) it put many baseball fans in a mindset of "the more scoring, the better the game"... when scoring decreased, the gamd became "not as good" in their minds, and the sport lost fans...

* tbh, i think people WAY underestimate the effect of the greenie ban as well...

the donkey should have won

Bingo.

And... no scare quotes needed. In 1919 the baseball industry was at a cross-roads. The road not taken leads to the land of professional wrestling and the Harlem Globetrotters. If the industry's product became widely known as fixed, then it's only really putting on exhibition games.

The PED era wasn't anywhere near the same universe as reducing the industry to an exhibition.

the PED era was, at core, an era of wide-scale cheating... and let's be serious, ownership willfully turning a blind eye. Except for the legal issues, not any different in theory than an era of wide-scale spitball cheating. I really can't imagine either one triggering a collapse of the industry's status as legitimate sports.

So did all his teammates. The man truly is an odious being... even if he never gambled, or cheated on his taxes. If he wants to get in the HOF, he should do it the way I did... buy a ticket (actually my mom bought the ticket, RIP).

Baseball in unique because of the stats, and secondarily what the stats say about who should be in the HOF. And sure, I'll grant you the PED era throws a monkey-wrench in the record book. Sure that's a negative. But it's not, in the grand scheme of things, that big of a negative. The NFL also had wide-scale PED abuse during the same era, arguably on a larger and more significant scale. And now a few years later... nobody cares regarding the NFL. Baseball's different in that people care, but that's really all 'gravy' so to speak. People just care more about baseball history. But my point is this... they still care.

Yeah, but the industry has always believed that more scoring drives interest, attendance, viewership and ultimately profits. This is true going way back before the PED era, for example the 1968 lowering of the mound. The NFL believes the same thing, witness the never ending parade of rule changes favoring the offense the last 40 years or so.

And... I think your perception is incorrect. By any reasonable starting date of the PED era, I'm sure you'll find attendance, TV money, etc, is up dramatically today. The same holds true for the NFL, in spades.

Do you honestly believe Serena isn't on steroids?

I mean if there is an ideal "fair" game of baseball it seems the results would be skewed more by guys being juiced for the whole season than for guys betting on a few games.

I don't care. I'm more annoyed that anyone great at their sport is assumed to be on PEDs. **** you Lance Armstrong.

OK, fair enough.

Sure, I'm willing to believe, regardless of how odious a human being Pete Rose happens to be, he never let his betting influence his play, or his managing. It's hard to argue Shoeless Joe actually tanked. Neither of those two infamous cases interfered with an ideal fair game of baseball, or directly skewed the results.

Some of the Black Sox, however, obviously did go in the tank. That series wasn't even a ball game, so to speak... ideal fairness isn't an issue at WWE. No amount of individual cheating on the juicing level, even as widespread and effectively condoned as it was, could turn things into a 1919.

Or I guess, what I was trying to say... as a recognized major sport, and an industry, the gambling issue is the 'third-rail'. Mess that up, and you're dead... end of story. PED abuse is just another problem to deal with, and IMO it has been to a significant degree. It ain't in the same ballpark, again looking at it only as an industry.

I don't really disagree, I do wonder how this plays out if Rose isn't a dick though.

That woman is so obviously not on steriods. Seems any accomplishment for woman kind being honored as real sports persons is lessened by cover art whoring but meh w/e.

+1 woman's tennis being a great spectator sport. Fond memories of Steffie Graf ass in the air during the Coke summers of my childhood.

Same.

There's a coupla dozen people on the MLB disqualified list. Which isn't, BTW, technically what keeps him out of the HOF. They've all had the right to appeal to the Commish, usually the same dude who put them there. Nobody has ever come close to getting off. He never had a chance. No one ever has. Zero.

You gotta kind of imagine Rose isn't an idiot too, as he just now admitted to still actively betting baseball. Anyways, like I said, if he can't get off this poop list... what's the best he can do? Well, be able to go to events with the Commish's permission. Which he can now do. Hell, back in the day, Willie Mays couldn't go to Old Timers Day because he worked as a salaried greeter at a legal casino. So he's really maxed out... assuming he has zero chance, as I mentioned above.

Also, according to this ESPN article, he makes more $$$ being 'Out of the Hall'...

Pete Rose is more marketable without reinstatement to the Hall of Fame

Good for him