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05-26-2014 , 01:53 PM
Men are not all bad and are manageable. There is no way to force a man to admit they have emotional problems. Some have developed such a prejudice against the notion they may have great difficulty understanding. Being a supreme dick of a man is pretty rare.
Just some perspective.
05-26-2014 , 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
Aside from wondering if there's a demographic outside of 'violent criminals' whose members aren't 'much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it' and a certain curiosity about the role misogyny might play in a non-sexist society, most of all I'm wondering about the alleged lack of clarity regarding the role of mental illness in a guy's decision to go on a stabbing and shooting murder rampage.

I mean, yes, clearly the guy was a raging misogynist. He was also a racist, a narcissist, a snob and many things besides. But four of the six people he murdered were men. By all means, do the think-piece, talk about the misogyny - it's an important issue. But I think as regards this particular atrocity, the mental health issue is both more pertinent and more tractable.
Yep. Subtract out the mental illness part and none of this happens. It might be important to specify that mental illness isn't just one thing if you are worried about stigmatization.
05-26-2014 , 02:08 PM
What's ikeswife's assessment?
05-26-2014 , 03:21 PM
Man, if his posting ITT isn't enough to get SM2 banned, I don't know what is. Absolutely disgusting. I'm not going to respond to another one of his posts.
05-26-2014 , 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
The attempts to wrap this incident as some overarching indictment of all men is ****ing ludicrous and similar to the attempts to make every right winger a killer post-Giffords.

Crazy people ghana crazy people.
Ya know.. I know this kid ranted a lot about women and all, but apparently he disliked Asians and killed 3 asians. I'm not one of those butthurt asians who tries to stand up for their rights and ****, but that part of the story gets no traction. He even lived with 2 chinese kids. wtf? There is literally almost no mention about his racist stuff, the misogyny angle gets all the airplay. I dunno. Is it weird I'm even thinking about that?

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Mental illness is not bad and is manageable. There is no way to force a person to admit they have an illness and some people lack the faculty to understand if they could. Being criminally, murderously disturbed is quite rare. Just some perspective.
I'm unsure how you can say this if you have any experience with it. Last year a friend of mine started acting very strangely. He was always a bit obnoxious but he started getting REALLY weird and doing some outlandish stuff. We all thought he was doing drugs, but my best friend said that he was showing all the behaviors of having bipolar disorder. He did things like offer a girl he somewhat knew money for sex, spending extreme amounts of money (he blew through 40k), getting arrested 5 times (DUIs, getting kicked out of places), telling people he was the Mesiah, claiming he healed people in the hospital....

It was absolutely crazy. It got to the point where he was calling me at 4am constantly and either happy as hell or crying his eyes out. He kept telling everyone he was going to play for the Phillies or the Eagles, but he couldn't decide which team. He would not take his medication and it just got to the point where everyone avoided him because he was completely impossible to deal with.

Its really a scary thing, and it could happen to anyone. He went from a completely normal responsible person who took care of his family to spending his entire life savings, losing 2 jobs, and getting arrested 5 times. I actually was slightly worried he'd shoot me.

Just crazy ****.
05-26-2014 , 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Ya know.. I know this kid ranted a lot about women and all, but apparently he disliked Asians and killed 3 asians. I'm not one of those butthurt asians who tries to stand up for their rights and ****, but that part of the story gets no traction. He even lived with 2 chinese kids. wtf? There is literally almost no mention about his racist stuff, the misogyny angle gets all the airplay. I dunno. Is it weird I'm even thinking about that?
No it's not. The guy was a despicable, two faced, racist psychopath. I habitually have various news channels on and I keep having to instantly change the channel when it shows his evil little rants. Disgust and nausea are what I feel when he comes on and I hear his voice, I have to look up from the comp and change the channel stat.
05-26-2014 , 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Ya know.. I know this kid ranted a lot about women and all, but apparently he disliked Asians and killed 3 asians. I'm not one of those butthurt asians who tries to stand up for their rights and ****, but that part of the story gets no traction. He even lived with 2 chinese kids. wtf? There is literally almost no mention about his racist stuff, the misogyny angle gets all the airplay. I dunno. Is it weird I'm even thinking about that?
Of course it's weird. Didn't you know its only racist if it's something negative towards black people?

You'll only get one big collective yawn from posters here and others on the left about racism towards Asians.

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05-26-2014 , 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Ya know.. I know this kid ranted a lot about women and all, but apparently he disliked Asians and killed 3 asians. I'm not one of those butthurt asians who tries to stand up for their rights and ****, but that part of the story gets no traction. He even lived with 2 chinese kids. wtf? There is literally almost no mention about his racist stuff, the misogyny angle gets all the airplay. I dunno. Is it weird I'm even thinking about that?
Bottom line is the guy was violent and nuts. Trying to reason out the crazy and then blaming a whole unrelated group doesn't make sense. It's simple opportunism and it's disgusting.
05-26-2014 , 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
He was pretty racist against other minorities too.
If his 3 roommates were black, Gizmo would not be saying this AT ALL.
05-26-2014 , 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Bottom line is the guy was violent and nuts. Trying to reason out the crazy and then blaming a whole unrelated group doesn't make sense. It's simple opportunism and it's disgusting.
It's just weird. 6 people died, 3 were Chinese, and it's almost strange to me the way it's portrayed. Why are there no interviews or pictures or anything of the 3 Chinese kids?

I might be overthinking this. I know Asians are usually treated as invisible, but this seems ridiculous.
05-26-2014 , 06:44 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
It's just weird. 6 people died, 3 were Chinese, and it's almost strange to me the way it's portrayed. Why are there no interviews or pictures or anything of the 3 Chinese kids?
They just showed all the victims on CBS evening news. The 3 you are referring to were his roommates/roommates friend and I don't think them being killed had to do with them being chinese.
05-26-2014 , 06:46 PM
Oh, they did? Ok maybe I'm wrong then. Just wanted to know if anyone else thought the same thing.
05-26-2014 , 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Oh, they did? Ok maybe I'm wrong then. Just wanted to know if anyone else thought the same thing.
The shooter is also of asian descent, right?

I don't really see the media ignoring an obvious race angle.
05-26-2014 , 07:04 PM
He's partly Asian, but he identifies with his white side more from what I can tell. He talks bad about Asians in general.

Most of his rants were against women though. He had a serious hangup about not getting laid. I used to be dissapointed in the amount I got laid at that age too, but then I became a super-pimp and hit everything in the tri-state area so I got over it.

Now I'm just old and accept it. Still got game though.
05-26-2014 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
If his 3 roommates were black, Gizmo would not be saying this AT ALL.
Do you ever know what you are talking about?
05-26-2014 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Aytumious
Do you ever know what you are talking about?
Yes, I am an expert at pointing out double standards.
05-26-2014 , 07:40 PM
Very false
Lol silverfetish
05-26-2014 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
Yes, I am an expert at......
Lol....pretty much impossible to come up with an end to that sentence.
05-26-2014 , 08:44 PM
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Originally Posted by All-In Flynn
You'd better not let Jessica Valenti hear you say that.



Aside from wondering if there's a demographic outside of 'violent criminals' whose members aren't 'much more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators of it' and a certain curiosity about the role misogyny might play in a non-sexist society, most of all I'm wondering about the alleged lack of clarity regarding the role of mental illness in a guy's decision to go on a stabbing and shooting murder rampage.

I mean, yes, clearly the guy was a raging misogynist. He was also a racist, a narcissist, a snob and many things besides. But four of the six people he murdered were men. By all means, do the think-piece, talk about the misogyny - it's an important issue. But I think as regards this particular atrocity, the mental health issue is both more pertinent and more tractable.
So you know why fewer women were killed, right? He went to the sorority house and when they heard his knocking, they didn't answer the door. Two of the people shot were women outside of the sorority and when that happened, he skeddadled and started shooting people from his car/running over cyclists. So yes, he didn't kill more women than men but that's only because the sorority did not open their doors.

And a point that I've heard from the feminist side that I don't know if I agree with or not yet, is that if he had been a member of a known anti-semetic group and then went out and shot up a synagog (though no actual Jewish people were killed) people would have a different reaction to the story. Rodger definitely followed a hate group at pua hate, and my hope is that there's some decent discourse in the broader media about how incidious the underbelly of the mra is. This story reminds me a lot of the Canadian guy who hated and killed a bunch of women - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lépine .





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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
If his 3 roommates were black, Gizmo would not be saying this AT ALL.
What even are you trying to say? In his own words Rodgers hated black people, white blonde sluts, Mexicans, and yes Asians. He was a **** stain of a human being and I hope that if a hell exists, he's there.
05-26-2014 , 08:47 PM
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Originally Posted by dessin d'enfant
Lol....pretty much impossible to come up with an end to that sentence.
'...nothing.'

Easy, turns out.
05-26-2014 , 08:53 PM
The reason the misogyny gets aired is because the guy was a huge misogynist

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Some boys randomly pushed me against the lockers as they walked past me in the hall. One boy who was tall and had blonde hair called me a “loser”, right in front of his girlfriends. Yes, he had girls with him. Pretty girls. And they didn’t seem to mind that he was such an evil bastard. In fact, I bet they liked him for it. … The most meanest and depraved of men come out on top, and women flock to these men. Their evil acts are rewarded by women; while the good, decent men are laughed at. … I hated the girls even more than the bullies because of this.
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2014/0...ogyny-matters/

While mental health is central to this case the misogyny is something unique that we didn't see in other mass murders like James Holmes. Mental health issues are exacerbated when people isolate themselves from society and the rhetoric of the MRM could easily lead one to alienate themselves from women leading those with mental health issues to commit crimes against women.
05-26-2014 , 09:10 PM
Everyone's a **** including Elle Roger
05-26-2014 , 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
So you know why fewer women were killed, right? He went to the sorority house and when they heard his knocking, they didn't answer the door. Two of the people shot were women outside of the sorority and when that happened, he skeddadled and started shooting people from his car/running over cyclists. So yes, he didn't kill more women than men but that's only because the sorority did not open their doors.

And a point that I've heard from the feminist side that I don't know if I agree with or not yet, is that if he had been a member of a known anti-semetic group and then went out and shot up a synagog (though no actual Jewish people were killed) people would have a different reaction to the story. Rodger definitely followed a hate group at pua hate, and my hope is that there's some decent discourse in the broader media about how incidious the underbelly of the mra is. This story reminds me a lot of the Canadian guy who hated and killed a bunch of women - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lépine .
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On the day before the Day of Retribution, I will start the First Phase of my vengeance: Silently killing as many people as I can around Isla Vista by luring them into my apartment through some form of trickery. The first people I would have to kill are my two housemates, to secure the entire apartment for myself as my personal torture and killing chamber. After that, I will start luring people into my apartment, knock them out with a hammer, and slit their throats. I will torture some of the good looking people before I kill them, assuming that the good looking ones had the best sex lives. All of that pleasure they had in life, I will punish by bringing them pain and suffering. I have lived a life of pain and suffering, and it was time to bring that pain to people who actually deserve it. I will cut them, flay them, strip all the skin off their flesh, and pour boiling water all over them while they are still alive, as well as any other form of torture I could possibly think of. When they are dead, I will behead them and keep their heads in a bag, for their heads will play a major role in the final phase. This First Phase will represent my vengeance against all of the men who have had pleasurable sex lives while I’ve had to suffer. Things will be fair once I make them suffer as I did. I will finally even the score.

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I had an argument with Soumaya while I was visiting father’s house. It started when she began to boast that my brother Jazz was recently signed by an agent to act in T.V. commercials. She said that by the time he is my age, he will be a successful actor. I talked about how Jazz was already so socially savvy for his age, and how I’ve always envied him for it. She told me he will never have any problems with girls, and will lose his virginity while he’s young. I had to sit there and listen to the bitch tell me that my little brother will grow up enjoying the life I’ve always craved for, but missed out on. It is very unfair how some boys are able to live such pleasurable lives while I never had any taste of it, and now it has been confirmed to me that my little brother will become one of them. He will become a popular kid who gets all the girls. Girls will love him. He will become one of my enemies. That was the day that I decided I would have to kill him on the Day of Retribution. I will not allow the boy to surpass me at everything, to live the life I’ve always wanted. It’s not fair that he has the chance to have a pleasurable life while I’ve been denied it. It will be a hard thing to do, because I had really bonded with my little brother in the last year, and he respected and looked up to me. But I would have to do it. If I can’t live a pleasurable life, then neither will he! I will not let him put my legacy to shame.

Take away his mental illness and you have an extremely unpleasant and bitter loser. Take away his misogyny and... what? Does he stop feeling entitled to happiness? Does he stop regarding it as the world's duty to provide him with everything he wants? Does he fail to conclude that violent 'Retribution' is an appropriate response to the world's failure in that regard?

And as I said, it's not that the misogyny angle isn't worth discussing. I just object to that article's attempt to sideline the mental health issue as though it were some irrelevant afterthought.
05-26-2014 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Gizmo
So you know why fewer women were killed, right? He went to the sorority house and when they heard his knocking, they didn't answer the door. Two of the people shot were women outside of the sorority and when that happened, he skeddadled and started shooting people from his car/running over cyclists. So yes, he didn't kill more women than men but that's only because the sorority did not open their doors.

And a point that I've heard from the feminist side that I don't know if I agree with or not yet, is that if he had been a member of a known anti-semetic group and then went out and shot up a synagog (though no actual Jewish people were killed) people would have a different reaction to the story. Rodger definitely followed a hate group at pua hate, and my hope is that there's some decent discourse in the broader media about how incidious the underbelly of the mra is. This story reminds me a lot of the Canadian guy who hated and killed a bunch of women - http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Lépine .






What even are you trying to say? In his own words Rodgers hated black people, white blonde sluts, Mexicans, and yes Asians. He was a **** stain of a human being and I hope that if a hell exists, he's there.
He was already living in his version of hell. It's particularly callous to send someone there twice.

If murderers go to hell then ALL murderers do including JFK. If you agree with the sentiment then I'm perfectly ok with both of them going.
05-26-2014 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Mental illness is not bad and is manageable. There is no way to force a person to admit they have an illness and some people lack the faculty to understand if they could. Being criminally, murderously disturbed is quite rare. Just some perspective.
Mental illness is not "bad" as in evil or as in not significant? Some mental illnesses or no doubt minor but some are as debilitating as physical illness. Some mental illness is manageable some is not in my novice view.

      
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