I enjoyed the golf clap as well, but thought he came off poorly in the Bayless interview.

OK dude. You're going with the "well yeah you caught them THIS TIME but they don't just talk out of their ass ALL the time" defense, noted.

Are you like a producer of this show or something?

If you're going to tear down the whole reputation of a guy as being classless, you're going to have to do a whole lot better. He also has an extensive history of acting with class.

Well, considering it's something like a 90/10 split, I'm going to go with yes (again, you'd know this if you were commenting on something you didn't watch one time in a restaurant on mute).

Never said he was classless, but that he has a non-negligible history of not acting with class (note the difference).

If your claim is this weak, then why is it some counterpoint to saying that Sherman has a history of acting with class? Because I can get you 5 much more significant instances of class. Also, most of those instances are pretty negligible.

Bourbon Street clip was awesome.

He talked **** to Tom Brady after Tom told him to come find him after the game when the Pats were up two scores in the second half. Brady runs his mouth during the game as much as anyone in the league.

Skip sucks, Sherman would have been better if he came off a little bit less mean spirited, but he's a paid troll.

He's a great player who talks more **** than he needs to considering how awesome he is, but its not really malicious or classless.

Just showing both sides of the coin. Athletes who are considered 'class personified' or whatever generally don't have this kind of stuff on their resume (or, at the very least, it's not publicized) e.g. Peyton Manning, Tim Duncan, etc. So, is it fair to say Sherman has a history of acting with class? Sure. Is it complete? Not really.

I'd agree (especially if we're talking off the field work).

They're certainly negligible in that they're not really important in the grand scheme of things, but insofar as people's perception of an athlete goes, they are significant enough to be mentioned. God knows the sports networks think they're significant enough to be mentioned.

OK?

I'm not sure what your point is. If Stephen Hawking spent 10% of his time in the media talking about perpetual motion and abiogenic petroleum origin I would make fun of him, too. Would your counter be WELL IT'S JUST 10% OF THE TIME USUALLY HE'S SMART, LAY OFF DUDE.

Not analogous per your original objection. The issue you had earlier was not that they were debating this particular topic and that statistics were not applicable to it, but that the show (from your view) was nothing but a typical sports talk show with a facade of statistical analysis, which generally isn't the case (and just to be clear, I'm not attesting to the quality of statistical analysis, just pointing out that it's present in the large majority of their topics, which runs counter to your earlier objection).

With that said, if you want to change your objection to "OMG THEY'RE OCCASIONALLY COVERING SPORTS NEWS THAT DOESN'T HAVE A STATISTICAL BENT TO IT", then, well, have at it.

lol

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Seems about right.

By NFL standards Sherman is underpaid. He is in his first contract as a 5th round draft choice. You have to give they guy credit for knowing how to promote himself. It's amazing how much attention he's getting. He does commercials locally here in the Puget Sound area. I'm guessing he is going to get some work at the national level now.

Who?

http://www.sportspickle.com/2014/01/...ning-is-a-thug

Zing! You wound me!

Jesus Chocolate Christ, are you people fighting about whether or not some ****ty ESPN show has enough numbers in it? I hope Crabtree shoves you all in the face.

But, due to the attribution bias I referenced in the hockey discussion, Brady is not called out for being a thug. Brady's character is not questioned. Similar actions, different interpretation. Same thing with Rivers.

Sherman isn't getting called out here for talking trash during the game, I'm just giving a reason why the incident wasn't some classless unprovoked attack or anything.

Hockey fights still not due to white privilege Deuces. Sorry.

Yeah but I think it was trash talking nonetheless. I think this was pretty much purposeful on Sherman's part as a move to get publicity. I saw an interview with Leigh Steinberg where he viewed it pretty much the same way. Sherman is a role model for kids whether he likes it or not. There are stories out there about kids emulating his rant. In some ways Sherman sends some positive messages to kids with his academic accomplishments and his community efforts. In other ways he sends some very negative messages in my view. I really don't think this is a case of you can take the man out of the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto out of the man. I think Richard is way beyond that and knows what he is doing.

Just curious... what is the political angle to this thread?

bro this is UNCHAINED GTFO with your arbitrary restrictions

No... its POLITICS UNCHAINED. I took that to me unrestrained talk about politics.

Richard Sherman VOTES. So back off.

Not in the South tho

Original longer version published on Jan 19, 2014. Hmmm.