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Rich Teen buys his way out of Vehicular Manslaughter Rich Teen buys his way out of Vehicular Manslaughter

12-16-2013 , 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Silver_Man2
If the parents were sued would you guys have a problem with that or no?
Oh the parents are going to be sued. And since the kid was driving a company truck from the company the father owns they are really really screwed. And rightfully so. I personally hope it bankrupts them and then they do not have to worry about that whole FOS affluenza crap.


The sentence is beyond rediculous . Of course the judge is not going to run again next tern.
12-16-2013 , 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Both of these are so much absurdly worse than 10 years of probation. You can criticize the process as being biased towards the affluent all you want but if you seriously think a 16 year old kid going to prison for that long.... well, you need to seriously evaluate what you think prison is for.

On this board the ideal prison system is based on the idea of rehabilitation, not revenge, and putting a kid in jail for 15+ years is pure revenge and a stupid ****ing policy.
Prison is for punishment not rehabilitation. He killed four people. Life in prison is quite fitting. Let that sink in.... He killed four people.
12-16-2013 , 12:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty Lost
Prison is for punishment not rehabilitation. He killed four people. Life in prison is quite fitting. Let that sink in.... He killed four people.
well **** dude, why not kill him 4 times?

Those people are dead, and that ****ing sucks, but putting a 16 year old kid in prison for the rest of his life simply adds one to the headcount. It doesn't give the best outcome possible.

Last edited by ikestoys; 12-16-2013 at 12:15 PM.
12-16-2013 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
well **** dude, why not kill him 4 times?
A. I'm not advocating the death penalty.
B. It isn't possible.
12-16-2013 , 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty Lost
A. I'm not advocating the death penalty.
B. It isn't possible.
Thanks for telling me it isn't possible.

But here's the thing, when you advocate putting a 16 year old in prison for the rest of his life, the line between you and someone supporting the death penalty is pretty damn thin.
12-16-2013 , 12:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Thanks for telling me it isn't possible.

But here's the thing, when you advocate putting a 16 year old in prison for the rest of his life, the line between you and someone supporting the death penalty is pretty damn thin.
His age is irrelevant. He killed four people, period. It also takes a rather large leap of logic to come to the conclusion in your last sentence.
12-16-2013 , 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty Lost
His age is irrelevant. He killed four people, period.
well that's obviously ******ed.
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It also takes a rather large leap of logic to come to the conclusion in your last sentence.
The only leap necessary is that living in prison isn't anything close to a full life. And you're doing this to a kid.
12-16-2013 , 12:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
well that's obviously ******ed.


The only leap necessary is that living in prison isn't anything close to a full life. And you're doing this to a kid.
Far from obvious. You think his age should have a bearing on his punishment. I might agree if he was 10, but he isn't. 16 is old enough to know better. He made a concious decision to drive drunk and four people are dead because of it. If it is so obvious demonstrate to me in a factual and logical manner how it is ******ed. Please leave the emotional baggage at the door.

Sure, no leap necessary. Alive versus dead... So thin indeed.
12-16-2013 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty Lost
Far from obvious. You think his age should have a bearing on his punishment. I might agree if he was 10, but he isn't. 16 is old enough to know better. He made a concious decision to drive drunk and four people are dead because of it. If it is so obvious demonstrate to me in a factual and logical manner how it is ******ed. Please leave the emotional baggage at the door.

Sure, no leap necessary. Alive versus dead... So thin indeed.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
12-16-2013 , 12:57 PM
Seriously thanks for the laughs man. You've essentially advocated a justice system based on revenge and not deterrence or rehabilitation and you're accusing me of having emotional baggage.

Just, ****ing, awesome.
12-16-2013 , 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Seriously thanks for the laughs man. You've essentially advocated a justice system based on revenge and not deterrence or rehabilitation and you're accusing me of having emotional baggage.

Just, ****ing, awesome.
I'm advocating a justice system based on... gasp... justice. Rehab is for drug addicts not killers. As far as detrence goes if life in prison isn't deterence enough for someone I'm not sure what would be.

Also your arguments are so convincing, I mean with all the ahahaha and thanks for the laughs; How can I possibly compete against those overpowering arguments?
12-16-2013 , 01:41 PM
"hahahaha" beats your arguments.
12-16-2013 , 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by lonely_but_rich
"hahahaha" beats your arguments.
Yes hahaha beats four people being dead because of this kids actions. Brilliant. Any other mind blowing arguments to come from you obvious intellectual types? I eagerly await lol and lmao.
12-16-2013 , 01:54 PM
rofl
12-16-2013 , 02:02 PM
Needs more "okay budday" to be fully convincing.
12-16-2013 , 02:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty Lost
I'm advocating a justice system based on... gasp... justice.
And your entire justice system is based on revenge. Did you kill someone? If yes go to jail for the rest of your life.

That's stupid and short sighted. The role of prison in society shouldn't be a legalized form of revenge, it should be a positive influence on society. Putting 16 year olds in prison for the rest of their lives for accidentally killing somebody through their recklessness does not make society better. It simply ensures that the 16 year old has a ****ty life no matter what. It doesn't bring any of the dead back, and it won't make their family members have less of a loss.
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Rehab is for drug addicts not killers. As far as detrence goes if life in prison isn't deterence enough for someone I'm not sure what would be.
The whole point that it isn't actually a deterrent. The kid made a reckless spur of the moment decision. He didn't plan out killing people when he drove drunk.

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Also your arguments are so convincing, I mean with all the ahahaha and thanks for the laughs; How can I possibly compete against those overpowering arguments?
Again, irony abounds. Your argument is that someone died so someone must go to jail for the rest of their life. That's an simpleton argument made by a simpleton populist idiot.
12-16-2013 , 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
And your entire justice system is based on revenge. Did you kill someone? If yes go to jail for the rest of your life.

That's stupid and short sighted. The role of prison in society shouldn't be a legalized form of revenge, it should be a positive influence on society. Putting 16 year olds in prison for the rest of their lives for accidentally killing somebody through their recklessness does not make society better. It simply ensures that the 16 year old has a ****ty life no matter what. It doesn't bring any of the dead back, and it won't make their family members have less of a loss.

The whole point that it isn't actually a deterrent. The kid made a reckless spur of the moment decision. He didn't plan out killing people when he drove drunk.


Again, irony abounds. Your argument is that someone died so someone must go to jail for the rest of their life. That's an simpleton argument made by a simpleton populist idiot.
Again I advocate justice not revenge. Look up the words in the dictionary and enlighten yourself. Also given the reasons the guy was given just probation; How does releasing a sociopath into society benefit society?

Nothing simpleton about it. You are advocating for something the justice system never was, has been or likely ever will be at least in the States. That is because most people see the legal system for wht it is... A way of dispensing justice to criminals, not to act as a day care for criminals.
12-16-2013 , 02:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Liberty Lost
Again I advocate justice not revenge. Look up the words in the dictionary and enlighten yourself. Also given the reasons the guy was given just probation; How does releasing a sociopath into society benefit society?
Your system of 'justice' is defined entirely by the idea of revenge.
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Nothing simpleton about it. You are advocating for something the justice system never was, has been or likely ever will be at least in the States. That is because most people see the legal system for wht it is... A way of dispensing justice to criminals, not to act as a day care for criminals.
Yup, and most people are ******ed. Your idiotic sense of thinking is why our prison population is much higher than just about any country while our crime rates continue to be just as high. Perhaps you should look at how other countries handle crime, and how they get much better results than we do. The US is literally the only western country to put juveniles in prison for the rest of their lives. The fact that idiotic populists like you make it impossible for many reforms at the moment doesn't mean that it's a bad system. It means you're dumb.

And again, 'day care for criminals', but your system of justice isn't based on revenge. Got to make those *******s pay, but that's not revenge. **** dude, just because you make something legal doesn't mean that it's not revenge.
12-16-2013 , 02:49 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys

The whole point that it isn't actually a deterrent. The kid made a reckless spur of the moment decision. He didn't plan out killing people when he drove drunk.
and he's too ****ing rich to know any better, right ikes?

lolikes, you just keep delivering.
12-16-2013 , 03:05 PM
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Originally Posted by airwave16
and he's too ****ing rich to know any better, right ikes?

lolikes, you just keep delivering.
No he's too ****ing dumb because he's 16.
12-16-2013 , 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Both of these are so much absurdly worse than 10 years of probation. You can criticize the process as being biased towards the affluent all you want but if you seriously think a 16 year old kid going to prison for that long.... well, you need to seriously evaluate what you think prison is for.

On this board the ideal prison system is based on the idea of rehabilitation, not revenge, and putting a kid in jail for 15+ years is pure revenge and a stupid ****ing policy.
The kid is no worse of a person than someone who gets drunk and hits a tree and no one gets hurt. The point is you have to put value on human life. No one gets behind the wheel drunk with intentions of killing innocent people, so do you think the penalties should be the same for someone driving at .1 when no one gets hurt and someone who is driving at .1 and runs over and kills someone? I mean clearly one is no greater threat to society than the other.
12-16-2013 , 03:10 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
No he's too ****ing dumb because he's 16.
i will pay you to conduct a study of 16 year olds in america to figure out how many of them (a) know right from wrong, and (b) know that drunk driving has a high (relative) probability of KILLING PEOPLE.
12-16-2013 , 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by airwave16
i will pay you to conduct a study of 16 year olds in america to figure out how many of them (a) know right from wrong, and (b) know that drunk driving has a high (relative) probability of KILLING PEOPLE.
If you think that 16 year olds understand right from wrong just as well as adults then you're probably a 16 year old. Because only dumbass teenagers actually think that.
12-16-2013 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by sweep single
The kid is no worse of a person than someone who gets drunk and hits a tree and no one gets hurt. The point is you have to put value on human life. No one gets behind the wheel drunk with intentions of killing innocent people, so do you think the penalties should be the same for someone driving at .1 when no one gets hurt and someone who is driving at .1 and runs over and kills someone? I mean clearly one is no greater threat to society than the other.
Putting a value on a human life is basically an euphemism for extracting revenge. The justice system should be focused on what's best for society, and putting a 16 year old in prison for decades should be reserved for the absolutely worst criminals, not someone simply being reckless.
12-16-2013 , 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by ikestoys
Your system of 'justice' is defined entirely by the idea of revenge.


Yup, and most people are ******ed. Your idiotic sense of thinking is why our prison population is much higher than just about any country while our crime rates continue to be just as high. Perhaps you should look at how other countries handle crime, and how they get much better results than we do. The US is literally the only western country to put juveniles in prison for the rest of their lives. The fact that idiotic populists like you make it impossible for many reforms at the moment doesn't mean that it's a bad system. It means you're dumb.

And again, 'day care for criminals', but your system of justice isn't based on revenge. Got to make those *******s pay, but that's not revenge. **** dude, just because you make something legal doesn't mean that it's not revenge.
It is a system of justice albeit a flawed one, but justice none the less. You are trying to redefine a word to fit your world view. No amount of you throwing a tantrum will change what words mean. Your argument boils down to this. Justice is revenge, but it isn't. A 16 year old doesn't have a grasp of right and wrong, they do. Some great undefined societal benefit will occur if justice isn't served in this case. Oh and you like to call people names. Yes, that is a great way to get people to agree with you lol.

Now if you want to talk about locking people up for non violent crimes and the fact that our prison system is largely privatized then maybe we can talk but, defending someone who killed four people just makes you look delusional. I mean what a bunch of whack jobs my ilk must be to want to see justice served to someone who killed four people. The ****ing horror of it all. /sarcasm

      
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