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Is Racism a Mental Illness Requiring Therapy? Is Racism a Mental Illness Requiring Therapy?

01-16-2016 , 04:29 PM
An exchange with Chex (I like chez):

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Originally Posted by adios
There are tests, could you provide some examples of valid tests? I assume that the tests you are referring to have some subtlety built into them to expose racists that don't admit/realize they are racists. I mean I could ask somebody if they support the KKK which is of course a not so subtle question. Instead a more subtle question could.be developed to have someone express their feelings in some way regarding the KKK. Perhaps along the lines of a political correctness test, what is politically correct and what isn't along with reasons as to why and why not.
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
There are some tests for racial bias. Not sure they would do the job but its some sort of measure at least.

Obv LG doesn't believe in such things as they measure subconscious processes and he thinks that's lol. Wish he was right as subconscious prejudice is a major problem but the way cognition works is very real.

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This response by chez is interesting as it implies that there is psychological disorder involved with racism. I think that he is probably right about many cases. If so racism being a mental illness requires diagnosis and treatment from professionals trained in psychology. LOL us posters in an Internet forum debating how to end racism when the illness needs first a diagnosis and a treatment plan. Maybe a little compassion for the mentally ill urging them to seek help might be a reasonable approach?
01-16-2016 , 05:53 PM
No.
01-16-2016 , 06:07 PM
Some forms of extreme racism can be indicative of other psychological disorders but racism as is probably isn't.
01-16-2016 , 06:12 PM
the test chezlaw is most likely referencing is the Harvard Implicit Associations Test. It's not a medical test, and implicit bias doesn't really make sense as a mental health issue.

That said, if you've never taken the Race IAT, you should do so and see what you think of it.
01-16-2016 , 07:12 PM
No, but we are not focusing enough on therapy for other serious diseases, such as, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's, Liberalism and so on.
01-16-2016 , 08:29 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by adios
This response by chez is interesting as it implies that there is psychological disorder involved with racism. I think that he is probably right about many cases. If so racism being a mental illness requires diagnosis and treatment from professionals trained in psychology. LOL us posters in an Internet forum debating how to end racism when the illness needs first a diagnosis and a treatment plan. Maybe a little compassion for the mentally ill urging them to seek help might be a reasonable approach?
The test well named mentions is the one I had in mind.

It's not to do with mental illness though. We should all be aware that we have a powerful but limited access on what's going on in our minds. Among other things we and we have a constant fight with cognitive errors/biases and the actions they lead to. I'm not sure exactly how to interpret that test but it still demonstrates the point well.

Lots follows from this if we want to combat racism/etc, PC being the main one I think, as it works against the biases being formed and reinforced within the people being PC and everybody who hears what they say. Avoiding biased reporting/viewpoints on groups is another.
01-17-2016 , 02:25 AM
That type of tactic worked pretty well for the Soviets, enemies of the state being necessarily crazy. Mandatory pc re-education camps just around the corner. Colleges are already moving that way, mandatory diversity classes/training.
01-17-2016 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by kioshk
That type of tactic worked pretty well for the Soviets, enemies of the state being necessarily crazy. Mandatory pc re-education camps just around the corner. Colleges are already moving that way, mandatory diversity classes/training.
Welcome to your mandatory class regarding microaggressions, please bend over so we can insert our PC. Today's use of PC language and aggression towards non PCers is almost a disgrace and insult to our right of free speech which should trump pretty much everything.

I have posted this before but here we go again:
The coddling of the american mind. Unfortunately I see some of this in the discussions we have at this side of the pond. Its terrible and laughable. kioshk for president.
01-17-2016 , 09:57 AM
Why do you guys want to squash anti-racism speech? Just suck it up if you're an offended racist.
01-17-2016 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Jbrochu
Why do you guys want to squash anti-racism speech? Just suck it up if you're an offended racist.
I'm not in favor of squashing anything as that is also freedom of speech. Not every instances of RACISM! is actual racism and its those instances that I personally dislike, especially when some doofus decides to make some policy because someone might have been hurt by something. You being hurt by something someone said should (almost) never mean something, its just you being hurt. A prime example is a product that is called the Black X (because, well, its black) being attacked because it has the word black in it, its both hilarious and sad.
01-17-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Yakmelk
A prime example is a product that is called the Black X (because, well, its black) being attacked because it has the word black in it, its both hilarious and sad.
That was a famously false accusation made against PC ages ago. Banning the word 'black' so no more blackboards or black bin liners.

No doubt some people go a bit silly at times - there's a lot of people out there so we can find silly examples of everything.
01-17-2016 , 05:16 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediacentre/lat...economy-season

Saw an ad for this today. Guess who's complaining about the show's title?

That's right. Nobody.

I used this example because otherwise every post of mine is going to turn into a Stewart Lee video.
01-17-2016 , 06:22 PM
Hey man, if racism apologists can't get mad about imagined grievances, what can they get mad about?

Certainly not racism of course.
01-17-2016 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by chezlaw
That was a famously false accusation made against PC ages ago. Banning the word 'black' so no more blackboards or black bin liners.

No doubt some people go a bit silly at times - there's a lot of people out there so we can find silly examples of everything.
This is an actual example from a product that was advertised a few months ago where I live. Another product has already gotten this treatment a few years ago. It's one of the many examples you could find where PC language or behavior is used. I think racism is outrageous obviously, lucky for me I don't live in a society where it still rampant. Some people just can't handle getting hurt which is too bad for them and should never be banned. Freedom of speech always > getting hurt.

@bladesman
I know this black kid(/woman/other minority) who isn't being discriminated against, I guess no black kids are being discriminated against right!
01-17-2016 , 11:12 PM
Racism isn't a mental illness. It's a cognitive bias.
01-18-2016 , 12:50 AM
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Originally Posted by 13ball
Racism isn't a mental illness. It's a cognitive bias.
Google'd:

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A cognitive bias refers to a systematic pattern of deviation from norm or rationality in judgment, whereby inferences about other people and situations may be drawn in an illogical fashion. Individuals create their own "subjective social reality" from their perception of the input.
Being illogical and deviating from rationality does sound very normal, but damn if that doesn't sound ill. Being mentally ill in some way is normal, maybe? Or if mentally ill doesn't sound nice, eccentric is normal? What's normal? Drinking coffee when you wake up.
01-18-2016 , 01:39 AM
The cognitive bias is commonly because of bias in the information. If some race is persistently portrayed to us in a biased manner then the healthy brain will unconsciously make biased associations about that race that accurately reflect the biased data. So it's not biased with respect to the information but it is biased with respect to the actual facts*

Then because we have the ability to think we can realise this bias exists and override it to a large extent especially at the conscious level. We can also gather and look at the real data and try to combat the bias in the information that leads to the unconscious bias.

*lots of other biases as well but this is the key one here.
01-18-2016 , 05:16 AM
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Originally Posted by well named
That said, if you've never taken the Race IAT, you should do so and see what you think of it.
Haha, ****, this test gave me a strong preference towards white people. I definitely think there was something to it as I was better at sorting the categories when white was paired with good, but at the same time that was the last test and by that point I'd gotten much better at quickly sorting each word/face.
01-18-2016 , 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Oroku$aki
Google'd:



Being illogical and deviating from rationality does sound very normal, but damn if that doesn't sound ill. Being mentally ill in some way is normal, maybe? Or if mentally ill doesn't sound nice, eccentric is normal? What's normal? Drinking coffee when you wake up.
I think the clinical language of that definition makes it sound more like a mental illness than is intended. We have to be clear about the difference between errors in thinking and impaired mental function. Otherwise people who are bad at maths or think they have a lucky number are mentally ill. Every time there's a disagreement (and one side of the discussion has to be right) you'd be forced to declare one side as mentally ill because there must be some irrationality or bias to their thinking.
01-18-2016 , 07:59 PM
why are people on this site so willing to brand someone a racist. back in the day they used to string black folks up for justlooking at white women. I think that describes a racist. you folks on this site and elsewhere in the u.s. declare folks racists if they just disagree with your view. example look at the trump follower thread. everyone who supports trump is a racist. what are all his black and Hispanic supporters racist of? just sayin
01-19-2016 , 08:42 AM
Just came into here to say OP you're a ****ing clown and when you have some clue you can start talking about how the left don't understand economics and politics.

We can certainly add mental illness, racism and not being a ****ing idiot to the list of things OP doesn't understand.
01-21-2016 , 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by adios
An exchange with Chex (I like chez):





This response by chez is interesting as it implies that there is psychological disorder involved with racism. I think that he is probably right about many cases. If so racism being a mental illness requires diagnosis and treatment from professionals trained in psychology. LOL us posters in an Internet forum debating how to end racism when the illness needs first a diagnosis and a treatment plan. Maybe a little compassion for the mentally ill urging them to seek help might be a reasonable approach?
Yes, there is a cure to this condition. the cure is to immerse a racist among members of an economically successful race who feel guilty about it.
01-22-2016 , 10:56 AM
da fuq is an "economically successful race"
01-22-2016 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by LetsGambool
da fuq is an "economically successful race"
I can't point to the exact people because race is a social construct.
01-22-2016 , 11:06 AM
So you made a statement that you have no idea what it means? OK, seems about par for the course for an ACer.

      
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