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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I actually think our disagreement is not on the meaning of empirical, but of evidence. I would not say crime stats provide empirical evidence of blacks predisposition to violence, for example, though they are empirical data.
This seems like progress to me (i.e. we can stop focusing on "empirical" and talk about "evidence") but let me elaborate:
Data are
empirical by virtue of the methods used to obtain them. Data are
evidence in relation to specific propositions. The same data may be evidence for some set of claims but not for others. If I make a claim about racial disparities in crime rates, crime stats are absolutely evidence. The word "predisposition" is doing a lot of work in your sentence, and it changes the nature of the claim from a simple statement of facts to one focused on causal explanations. Crime stats are primary evidence in support of some claims about crime, and not really evidence at all in support of other claims about the causality of crime rates.
If you go back to the beginning of this conversation, you asked for "links to empirical evidence that the job market is racially discriminatory?" Now, the word discrimination here refers to prejudicial treatment, and both legally (cf. disparate impact) and practically speaking the impact of discrimination is clearly more important than its exact motivations. The data provided by the studies we've discussed, which are empirical data, are in fact evidence in support of the claim that the job market is racially discriminatory. They provide direct evidence of that claim precisely because they demonstrate how job seekers of different races are treated differently and prejudicially.
What I've agreed with is that these studies are less conclusive as evidence in support of claims about the exact motivations of managers evaluating resumes, or the exact causes of that discrimination. But I haven't made any claims about the exact causality or motivations, and in fact from the beginning I linked you to a post that discussed the caveats in that regard. I only tried to answer your question in the way it was asked.
Last edited by well named; 07-04-2017 at 09:13 PM.