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07-04-2017 , 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy
So, you're a lazy pos jalfrezi.
Why, because he's going on vacation?
07-04-2017 , 07:25 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Why, because he's going on vacation?
Your vacation and his holiday are not equal.

Pay attention.
07-04-2017 , 07:33 PM
Why not, is "holiday" some Euro thing that's different?
07-04-2017 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Why not, is "holiday" some Euro thing that's different?
I'm saying there is a fundamental difference between how we view work between cultures.

Is this really so hard to understand? Or do you not agree that Europeans and Americans fundamentally view this in a different light?
07-04-2017 , 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I'm saying there is a fundamental difference between how we view work between cultures.

Is this really so hard to understand? Or do you not agree that Europeans and Americans fundamentally view this in a different light?
What on earth is this tangent you're on? Broadway called jalfrezi a "lazy pos" and looking back at the conversation to see what spawned that comment, the only thing I can see is the fact that jalfrezi is going on vacation in Italy, which sounds pretty enviable tbh.
07-04-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
What on earth is this tangent you're on? Broadway called jalfrezi a "lazy pos" and looking back at the conversation to see what spawned that comment, the only thing I can see is the fact that jalfrezi is going on vacation in Italy, which sounds pretty enviable tbh.
Then you are an idiot.
07-04-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
...we shouldn't... quote research... as empirical evidence...
07-04-2017 , 08:14 PM
There are fundamental differences between Americans and Europeans. I don't think either group of people would dispute that. Can you, as an American who deeply loves your country, articulate the difference?

I would bet a lot of money you couldn't. That's because you spew the idiocy you were taught in the idiocy of American colleges which preach equality of outcome over equality of opportunity.

That is a FUND****INGMENTAL difference between OUR people and THEIR people. If you care so much to strive to be European, then I encourage you to MOVE TO EUROPE.
07-04-2017 , 08:18 PM
lol, FoldN still struggling to use "empirical" correctly in a sentence.
07-04-2017 , 09:06 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
I actually think our disagreement is not on the meaning of empirical, but of evidence. I would not say crime stats provide empirical evidence of blacks predisposition to violence, for example, though they are empirical data.
This seems like progress to me (i.e. we can stop focusing on "empirical" and talk about "evidence") but let me elaborate:

Data are empirical by virtue of the methods used to obtain them. Data are evidence in relation to specific propositions. The same data may be evidence for some set of claims but not for others. If I make a claim about racial disparities in crime rates, crime stats are absolutely evidence. The word "predisposition" is doing a lot of work in your sentence, and it changes the nature of the claim from a simple statement of facts to one focused on causal explanations. Crime stats are primary evidence in support of some claims about crime, and not really evidence at all in support of other claims about the causality of crime rates.

If you go back to the beginning of this conversation, you asked for "links to empirical evidence that the job market is racially discriminatory?" Now, the word discrimination here refers to prejudicial treatment, and both legally (cf. disparate impact) and practically speaking the impact of discrimination is clearly more important than its exact motivations. The data provided by the studies we've discussed, which are empirical data, are in fact evidence in support of the claim that the job market is racially discriminatory. They provide direct evidence of that claim precisely because they demonstrate how job seekers of different races are treated differently and prejudicially.

What I've agreed with is that these studies are less conclusive as evidence in support of claims about the exact motivations of managers evaluating resumes, or the exact causes of that discrimination. But I haven't made any claims about the exact causality or motivations, and in fact from the beginning I linked you to a post that discussed the caveats in that regard. I only tried to answer your question in the way it was asked.

Last edited by well named; 07-04-2017 at 09:13 PM.
07-04-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
Do you really not see this as a threat wil?
No, I really don't. I work in the energy industry that deals in Kws. You tell me? I mean, he likes to holday in Italy but I personally prefer the Pacific Northwest. What do you think, kerowo?
07-04-2017 , 09:17 PM
What if he doesn't watch his mouth?
07-04-2017 , 09:18 PM
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Originally Posted by kerowo
What if he doesn't watch his mouth?
Then I guess he would have to put in that work, man.


You tell me? I'm pretty easy.

Last edited by wil318466; 07-04-2017 at 09:36 PM.
07-04-2017 , 09:39 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Then you are an idiot.
I'm an idiot for thinking an Italian vacation is enviable?

Really rallying strong for your corporate overlords and your wage slave life there, wil.
07-04-2017 , 09:42 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I'm an idiot for thinking an Italian vacation is enviable?

Really rallying strong for your corporate overlords and your wage slave life there, wil.
Italy sounds nice. You should go.
07-04-2017 , 09:47 PM
It's next on my list after doing Paris and Amsterdam this year. Beautiful cities, would love to live in either of them. Hopefully vacationing there doesn't make me a "lazy pos", though!
07-04-2017 , 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I'm an idiot for thinking an Italian vacation is enviable?

Really rallying strong for your corporate overlords and your wage slave life there, wil.
Accept for maybe a day trip to Canada Real Americans dont go over the borders.
07-05-2017 , 01:25 AM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I'm not embarrassed at all. Why would you think I would be embarrassed about working to achieve my goals? Do you laugh at medical students for putting in 100 hour weeks while being paid 40k a year?
Obviously not, because they're students. Junior doctors work extremely long hours because it's part of their training and because they'll reap the benefits later on in the careers, as they should.

You, however, are a middle aged man in his 40s whose career has flat-lined, trying to make a virtue out of necessity. That's why it's embarrassing.
07-05-2017 , 01:28 AM
Shouldn't we ask Mat for something better? Like a lolcats forum or something?
07-05-2017 , 01:31 AM
WE WANT A NEW CONSERVATIVE FORUM SO WE CAN LOL AT PEOPLE WHO ENJOY HOLIDAYS ABROAD. DAMN THEM AND THEIR STUPID PASSPORTS.
07-05-2017 , 01:35 AM
What I want to know is why is there so much poker stuff on this site?
07-05-2017 , 01:47 AM
just one of the mysteries of life
07-05-2017 , 01:51 AM
hi Noodle Wizard! You're just the person I wanted to see!

07-05-2017 , 01:53 AM
Here's a song from a tiny dinosaur!


07-05-2017 , 01:53 AM
Noodle Wizard do you ever post in the forum about going over to a person's house? over

      
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