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05-30-2017 , 08:07 PM
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Now that we have a good wide-ranging group, would any of you please give your take on the latest incident at Evergreen college. This professor, Weinstein, is actually making some very serious charges that have yet to come up anywhere on the MSM, maybe Fox. He's claiming to have been stalked around campus and threatened to be kidnapped by a mob. The guy seems pretty nice though.

Well Named, I'll discuss any studies you want if you'll discuss the content in the quoted post and this most current in a string of campus racial incidents, and why it shouldn't add to my worries about the state of academia today.

well you convinced me. these militant sjws are just out of control. we better convert to supporting the white supremacist mobs and rallies. we better get on the same team as based stick man and general deplorable and the most recent stabby guy.
05-30-2017 , 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well you convinced me. these militant sjws are just out of control. we better convert to supporting the white supremacist mobs and rallies. we better get on the same team as based stick man and general deplorable and the most recent stabby guy.
Are those the only teams?
05-30-2017 , 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Every attempt at engagement you've ever made in either politics forum has been so completely full of dishonest bull**** that I have to somewhat admire the balls you must have to keep continuing with this gambit, thinking anyone at all might believe you.
he got more owned than anyone I have ever seen on his idiocy regarding the "empirical evidence."

I absolutely do admire that he has the balls to still show his face around here after that utter wreckage. balls or shamelessness. its still impressive. I sure as hell would not be able to.
05-30-2017 , 08:14 PM
Are there any empirical studies that show SJWs are a problem?
05-30-2017 , 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
Are there any empirical studies that show SJWs are a problem?
ask juan. I am sure he has a stockpile of them. he wont show you or link them. but they exist trust him. and trust jordan peterson.
05-30-2017 , 08:32 PM
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Well Named, I'll discuss any studies you want if you'll discuss the content in the quoted post and this most current in a string of campus racial incidents, and why it shouldn't add to my worries about the state of academia today.
LOL now not only do we have to watch these people's alt-right youtubes, we must tailor our discussions to them?
05-30-2017 , 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
LOL now not only do we have to watch these people's alt-right youtubes, we must tailor our discussions to them?
No we do not.
05-30-2017 , 08:39 PM
I like how quickly we go from "Is this study really empirical" to "here's two hours of youtube".
05-30-2017 , 08:43 PM
chez has still not, that I have ever seen, answered to the many people that pointed out his lies about averagejoe's (RIP) "doxxing" timeout. But boy is he quick to delete any posts making fun of his boy Foldn!
05-30-2017 , 09:17 PM
Nobody is forced to watch anything. I would think anybody curious might want to hear a professor making such claims.

Anyway you can only hide your head in the sand for so long. I'm certainly not the only one dismayed at these events. Here's a shorter article for you, https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...aign=IHEbuffer
This is not Dave Rubin, the concervatives, the alt right, the boogie man, and most commenters are as bewildered as I am.

The Post: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ty-washington/
05-30-2017 , 09:20 PM
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Originally Posted by well named
Your second second sentence is exactly the point. It's significant that you can't think of a white trash male name. I don't just mean that it's significant to the question of racial discrimination, although it clearly is (think: why can't you think of a male name associated with lower-status whites?)
Because every white-trash guy I personally know has a name that's shared by at least one other person I personally know who grew up middle class or better. I wasn't in school with any girls with stripper names. The one I ran into in college (a misspelled stripper name of all horrible things) had a total white trash family background and got herself out. If you can't think of any either, maybe it's not gender influencing perception of status, but that white trash name their girls with a much wider range than their boys.

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I think this misses the point I'm trying to make. How is it determined that a name is misspelled? Is Juan a misspelling of John? Is Matthieu a misspelling of Matthew?
By the norms of society. The same way that a dictionary is considered a reference for how to spell words. If you're not French/French Canadian or whatever, it's not Matthieu. If you're from earth, it's not "Dwyane".

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Beyond that, from what perspective is it "idiotic"?
By the perspective of most everybody who encounters it. I'm sure somebody out there (besides mom) thinks Marijuana Pepsi is a great name,
but most people are going to agree that "naming your kid after drugs" or "naming your kid after dog sounds" is actually stupid.

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Clearly lots of black people disagree. Why is the perspective of those who thinks it's idiotic more legitimate than the perspective of those who think it's not?
Clearly lots of people with face tattoos disagree too. Which is great when they're hanging around with other face tattoos and not so great otherwise. Signaling exists, and aggressively signaling that you don't give a **** about a group's norms isn't a good way to ingratiate yourself.

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When we're talking about the significance of race in American culture, it's not just a question of overt discrimination or negative stereotypes. The fact that the dominant culture is white and views non-white cultural expressions (like names) as idiotic or incorrect is important. Again, your assertion that those names are idiotic is prejudicial.
I don't think anybody bats an eye at a French Matthieu or a Hispanic Juan or a Korean Dong Hyun Kim or whatever, and the idiotic/incorrect rating is going to be way lower than for a Tifanee or Chasity or Jaxton even if you went and surveyed actual huge racists. Dumb names are like hipsters. Non-hipsters hate hipsters. See below.

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I disagree. The creation and maintenance of collective identity is central to human culture, and clearly has a value apart from concerns with discrimination in a pluralistic society.
And you literally just got done implying that it's a f'ing horrible thing for people to negatively perceive those who deliberately act to reduce their collective identity. This is the same duality as in the last post- it's A+++ great and ok for a group to create its own distinct identity, because collective identities are great, but it's F--- terrible for a group to look down at those attempting to weaken theirs.

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It is true that the role collective identity plays in civil rights movements is different than it would be in a world with a very different history, and it's also clearly true that the processes that are involved create problems as well (i.e. in-group out-group bias). It's a complex topic, but if the implication is supposed to be that the establishment of collective identity should be discouraged because it's useless in a perfect world then I think that's misguided, but also impractical anyway.
Of course. People, if necessary, spontaneously create identities out of nothing for the sole purpose of ingroup-outgrouping each other. Dr. Seuss even wrote a kids book about it (The Sneetches). Your position is, roughly, that the more dominant group should have no negative feelings about the less dominant group actively rejecting its norms (but the less dominant group is free to feel aggrieved about the dominant group rejecting its)... which is a pretty impractical ask in most or all of today's societies.

Last edited by TomCowley; 05-30-2017 at 09:35 PM.
05-30-2017 , 09:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
well named expressed that calling black names "stupid" was by nature racist and then tc straight up doubled down on it.
Tripled down. Barkevious is ****ing stupid. So is Dwyane. You can count the ****s I give if you disagree with me or think I'm a horrible person for saying it on zero hands. I'm sure you'll skip that I think Tifanee and Chasity are also ****ing stupid and that Jamal isn't though.
05-30-2017 , 10:15 PM
no I wont skip anything. I think you are effin stupid for holding a persons name against them. be it tifanee or barkevious. certainly more stupid than dwyane is.

but we both know exactly why you are bringing up equivalencies and I will point it out. its bc you really really really want to hate on dem negro sounding names and you think if you equivocate well enough we wont notice that.
05-30-2017 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
I think you are effin stupid for holding a persons name against them
And I think you're a complete moron if you're actually arguing that it contains zero information. Guess we're even then?
05-30-2017 , 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCowley
And I think you're a complete moron if you're actually arguing that it contains zero information. Guess we're even then?
I think we're all in agreement that the name contains information, so keep trying?
05-30-2017 , 10:24 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCowley
People, if necessary, spontaneously create identities out of nothing for the sole purpose of ingroup-outgrouping each other. Dr. Seuss even wrote a kids book about it (The Sneetches). Your position is, roughly, that the more dominant group should have no negative feelings about the less dominant group actively rejecting its norms (but the less dominant group is free to feel aggrieved about the dominant group rejecting its)... which is a pretty impractical ask in most or all of today's societies.
Tom bravely rejecting the moral lessons of Dr. Seuss books.
05-30-2017 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCowley
And I think you're a complete moron if you're actually arguing that it contains zero information. Guess we're even then?
nope. bc I never said it contained "zero information."

and heres the thing. me and you will never be "even".
05-30-2017 , 10:25 PM
Sure, the parable of the Good Samaritan tells us we shouldn't be dickholes to people because of minor cultural differences, but that's very impractical for bigots. I mean, have you seen some of the names those guys give their kids? Sheshbazzar? I'm supposed to hire that guy?
05-30-2017 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
ask juan. I am sure he has a stockpile of them. he wont show you or link them. but they exist trust him. and trust jordan peterson.
actually i've cited 3 separate professors in psychology. i've posted the video describing the research showing the far left SJW's do in fact have more traditionally feminine personality traits. the first post in the youtube masterclass thread contains a detailed description of the dominance hierarchy, who is on the bottom, and how they typically behave. i've also time stamped them giving their opinions to content relevant to our discussions. every single time i get excuses and more demands. i really don't think the majority of you are capable of learning anything outside your ideology, which is the problem with them

after your dedication to defending jalfrezi's angleshot, repeated childish responses to information provided by experts, and your stereotypical bitterness towards women i'm pretty much categorizing you along side the most ignored poster in politics at this point. dont be surprised if i dont respond to you. i think it would be productive if you filtered any questions or comments directed at me through another less dense poster
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Originally Posted by FoldnDark
Nobody is forced to watch anything. I would think anybody curious might want to hear a professor making such claims.

Anyway you can only hide your head in the sand for so long. I'm certainly not the only one dismayed at these events. Here's a shorter article for you, https://www.insidehighered.com/news/...aign=IHEbuffer
This is not Dave Rubin, the concervatives, the alt right, the boogie man, and most commenters are as bewildered as I am.

The Post: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ty-washington/
the far left prefer the written form when a video is provided. when an article is provided they will probably find a video more interesting

anyways, it would be interesting to see how many SJW's here can actually admit this is just lunacy. are you guys actually siding with the students here? this is why people deciding what is hate speech and who gets to be silenced is so dangerous. the truth matters. ive also noticed comparisons to a conservative politician assaulting a reporter to organized violent and destructive protest to speakers with opposing views who were invited to give a formal presentation on a university campus. the creativity, defensiveness, and tribal absurdity is seemingly never ending

im actually thinking about creating a thread about postmodernism since it would help the rare sensible person around here make sense out of the madness, but it seems like a waste when i observe the typical reaction to tenured professors in credible fields. its not like you need to agree, but zero consideration or discussion

05-30-2017 , 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by juan valdez
i've posted the video describing the research showing the far left SJW's do in fact have more traditionally feminine personality traits.
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Note, by the way, that this went unanswered:

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Originally Posted by 13ball
Here, I'll help you out, juan. This is a list of all of Jordan Peterson's research papers.

Which one says that "far left SJW's [are] full of bitter losers"?
juan claims his points are based on research yet even when 13ball holds his hand he can't cite any of it
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05-30-2017 , 10:30 PM
Posting a lol utubez isn't discussion
05-30-2017 , 10:32 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
I think we're all in agreement that the name contains information, so keep trying?
Great, so ceteris paribus you take Jamal over Dwyane if you're forced to choose, and well named is calling you prejudiced. I'm looking forward to how you answer that!
05-30-2017 , 10:33 PM
and yet, no link or way to find these citations. lol juan like always. every single post of yours is full completely made up arguments. no evidence. no facts. I really dont get it. why do you cling to such falsehoods?
05-30-2017 , 10:37 PM
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Originally Posted by TomCowley
Great, so ceteris paribus you take Jamal over Dwyane if you're forced to choose, and well named is calling you prejudiced. I'm looking forward to how you answer that!
That doesn't follow does it?

Even if we accepted (and I dont btw) that it gave us useful information about the parents, why should we give J preference?
05-30-2017 , 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
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are you intentionally clueless for attention?

i get that spamming stuff and captioning it " what now trumpkins" at an imaginary audience leaves a guy accumulating 10's of thousands of posts lonely but right after 13balls post well named responded like a normal person. i confirmed that was the case in my next post. the research has been conducted, the talked about the methodology and summarized some of the results. is this now a conspiracy theory that a university professor and graduate are going out of their way to publicly lie?

first its youtube is a source. then i remind you that you post tweets and links to websites. those arent the source, those are the platform. then you try to twist my words and suggest im confused. then people pretend that they are busy at work and that somehow reading articles is easier than audio even though thats just about an impossible way to multi task. then people complain about the length of the videos. then i provide time stamps. then people claim they will actually read through peer reviewed work when they arent even qualified to critique it and have already displayed they disagree with the researchers summary. its just childish arguments and tribalism

whats next is you go back and start trying to quote mine justifications for your repeated pissy and off topic content instead of getting some fresh air ...or actually articulate a political idea or argument

      
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