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Old 08-23-2016, 04:47 PM   #76
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Re: "Another World is Possible"

"A Call to Action Against Slavery"—We're About to See the Largest Prison Strikes in US History

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On September 9, a series of coordinated work stoppages and hunger strikes will take place at prisons across the country. Organized by a coalition of prisoner rights, labor, and racial justice groups, the strikes will include prisoners from at least 20 states—making this the largest effort to organize incarcerated people in US history...

Incarcerated Workers Organizing Committee (IWOC) describes as “a call to action against slavery in America.”... Significantly, it’s incarcerated people who are taking the reins in organizing the strikes this time around—despite intimidation by the state. If history is an indicator, the state will do all it can to limit media coverage...

December 2010, when inmates at six Georgia prisons refused to report for meals and work assignments. Since almost all the work that allows Georgia’s prison system to function comes from unpaid inmate labor... the strike made an immediate and lasting impact... The Georgia Department of Corrections reacted by shutting off water and electricity to the strikers’ living quarters...
The state retaliated against 37 inmates who were identified as organizers with extreme isolation and punishment... Prison guards at Smith State Prison in South Georgia were captured on film brutally beating Kelvin Stevenson and Miguel Jackson with hammers...

[The Free Alabama Movement] developed a manifesto called “Let the Crops Rot in the Fields,”... incarcerated workers are utilizing the most powerful tool they have: their labor. Incarcerated workers are paid pennies an hour—or not at all in Georgia and Texas—for often-backbreaking labor... If they refuse or are unable to work, inmates say they’re subject to punishment, including “isolation, restraint positions, stripping off our clothes and investigating our bodies as though we are animals.”...

IWOC currently counts about 1,000 incarcerated members, a number which continues to grow as September 9 approaches. This makes it the largest area of organizing within Industrial Workers of the World—a labor union controlled directly by workers which operates outside the mainstream union model...

Incarcerated workers are still workers, regardless of criminal records. Other than by ending or massively reducing incarceration itself, it is only by building connections between workers behind bars and in the free world that will we begin to reform a system that feeds on human suffering... Conditions in prison today foreshadow what workers on the outside might face in the future, because the oppression inside is merely an amplified version of the oppression faced by poor people everywhere...

If we succeed in making the US pay attention to the events of September 9, it might just help the country decide which of those paths to pursue...

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Old 02-11-2017, 12:04 AM   #77
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Where the left and the right meet. Rojava, or now the Democratic Federal System of Northern Syria, which I mentioned before has a government and economic system inspired by the writing of Murray Bookchin who is described as libertarian socialist/anarchist/social ecologist/municipalist among other things was recently the subject of a small article by:

The National Review on the right

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...-democracy-ypg

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The Syrian Kurds believe in secular democracy, societal equality, and the rule of law. They want devolved power so each community has control over its own affairs. There is no law in the land that can tell you who to worship, when to worship, how your children should be educated, or how you should lead your life. It’s no wonder that the Assyrian National Council, which represents Syria’s Christian minority, supports the Syrian Kurds and the new Rojava administration. While the rest of Syria slips into anarchy, as the Assad regime barrel-bombs people from the sky and the Free Syrian Army rips itself apart, the entire northern part of the country has children in school, police on the street, and a functioning democracy.
and from last year, The Nation on the left (by Bookchin's daughter)

https://www.thenation.com/article/th...-obliterating/

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As Öcalan has noted, this model, which he calls “democratic confederalism” and which deliberately eschews a centralized state, is based on the ideas of my late father, Murray Bookchin, a social theorist and historian, who called this philosophy “libertarian municipalism” or “Communalism.” The notion of citizen empowerment at the core of this philosophy has its roots in the Greek city-state of Athens; it can be seen in the Committees of Correspondence preceding the American Revolution, and still lingers today in the form of Vermont town meetings. It represents an extraordinary development in the Middle East, one that deserves widespread support.
The OP also mentions Rojava in this post

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And yet like I've already mentioned, a similar form of social organizing, inspired by Murray Bookchin's ideas, is purportedly going on in Rojava right now:

"Rojava, in northern Syria, a Kurdish region straddling the southern Turkish border, is now a remarkable experiment of Bookchin inspired autonomous democratic confederalism. In the area's major urban areas-Aleppo, Kobane and Qamishli-popular assemblies and secular grassroots councils call the shots.....Put into practice, Kurdish self-government today has three central planks: the establishment of communes, the assurance of equal participation in all areas of decision-making for all faith and ethnic groups, and the strengthening of the position of women. Communes sort out everyday administration, provide electricity provision and infrastructure, advise on nutrition and liaise around ecological concerns. There are communal cooperatives, too, like bakeries and sewing workshops, like agricultural projects. Delegates from village and neighborhood communes form the basis of bigger city councils, and city councils are made up of representatives from all communes. There aren't any law courts either, but 'peace and consensus committees,' which try to resolve legal issues in novel, consensus-finding ways." Out of Shadows by Andy Merrifield

So what were you saying about "another world"?
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Old 02-13-2017, 09:27 PM   #78
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From the perspective of some flavor of left-socialist-anarchist, what are your thoughts on how or whether one should restrict capitalism?

In my own little world I have on multiple occasions tried to make partners out of employees and it's not easy. In a free society, even an anarcho-socialist utopia, I think capitalism will erupt. Supposedly in the Democratic Federalism in Northern Syria about 80% of the economy is composed of some kind of collective/commune/coop, but there is still a capitalist element.

Do you imagine collectivism winning out?

Live and let live in a mixed economy?

Suppressing capitalism? (you can say liberating workers if you want I guess)

Or is my premise confuzzled in some way?
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From the perspective of some flavor of left-socialist-anarchist...
First terminology quibbles.

Here in Los Dos Politardia, by longstanding convention, the unqualified meaning of the a-word is ACism. ACism isn't an ideology, it's just silly gibberish. As for posting here, and for quite a while, I've used the acronym RWA to refer to real world a-word-ism. During my ~8 yrs posting here, for IRL reasons, I've came to personally 86ed the a-word. Both online & IRL. When necessary, I use the synonymous term 'horizontal'. RWAers are always socialist by definition.

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It's not my thoughts. RWA has been around a few centuries before me. RWA is by definition anti-capitalist. Originally RWA was a reaction to capitalism. Modern RWA defines itself as opposition to hierarchy. This includes not necessarily capitalistic hierarchy, including what I personally consider the worst thing ever... patriarchy. That said, anti-capitalism is always a given. As we say "Capitalism cannot be reformed".

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... In a free society... I think capitalism will erupt...
Absolutely not. Capitalism is a side effect of an unfree society.

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I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but it doesn't seem obvious to me that capitalism wouldn't emerge at least in spots. Some people, I think, want to rent themselves out and others want to rent them.

There are a lot of kinds of anarchism apparently, even Anarchism without adjectives.
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I'm not saying you're necessarily wrong, but it doesn't seem obvious to me that capitalism wouldn't emerge at least in spots. Some people, I think, want to rent themselves out and others want to rent them...
Nobody, or I guess I should say no sane person, wants to "rent themselves out" anymore than they wanna enslave themselves. This becomes obvious when what it means to "rent yourself out" is examined.

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No, not really. RWA is opposition to hierarchy. The differences are in tactics, priorities, and areas of concern.
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Nobody, or I guess I should say no sane person, wants to "rent themselves out" anymore than they wanna enslave themselves. This becomes obvious when what it means to "rent yourself out" is examined.



No, not really. RWA is opposition to hierarchy. The differences are in tactics, priorities, and areas of concern.
Could be, but have you asked people?

And, again could be, but at least to a neophyte there seems like significant differences even granted opposition to hierarchy as a common element.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarch...ols_of_thought
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Could be, but have you asked people?...
No. Again, we would need to explore what "renting yourself out" actually means.

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... And, again could be, but at least to a neophyte there seems like significant differences even granted opposition to hierarchy as a common element...
Again, not really. Quickly going down the table of contents of the Wikipedia page, these different 'kinds' of RWA are all differences in tactics, areas of emphasis, or are historical/philosophical musings that aren't really relevant today.
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I don't know what's real and what's propaganda, but this article from The Nation is very anti-YPG. It doesn't seem like there's any genuine reporting in there though and it's an unchallenged conduit for opposition groups, notably the KNC which is a Kurdish Nationalist organization.

Their insistence that the Federation of Northern Syria (the RWA Kurds) are tools of Assad is very reminiscent of the Spanish Communist's suppression of the Spanish Anarchists/Trotskyists (POUM/CNT-FIA).

Who knows though?
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Rolling Stone has a new article on Westerners going to fight in Rojava.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-state-w466069
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...this article from The Nation is very anti-YPG...
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Rolling Stone has a new article on Westerners going to fight in Rojava. http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-state-w466069
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I'm not going to pretend I know what's going on in Rojava, Syria, or greater Kurdistan for that matter. It's obviously all very complicated, and cannot be reduced to binary sides. I'm also not conversant on M.Bookchin's ideas on Libertarian Municipalism. Given developments in Rojava, I've added this to my to-do list. Bookchin's day job was a historian, including a historian of RWA. I am familiar with that work (ex: The Spanish Anarchists-The heroic years, 1868-1936, full text here). When it comes to RWA, Bookchin was most definitely legit.

Last year, us San Diego IWWs were asked to host a leg of a speaking tour by some folks from Rojava, but that fell through because they couldn't get visas to come to the US.

Depending on what folks wanna count, which is always a good debate... this is the fourth large scale RWA experiment in history. Following on Ukrainian Free Territory (1917-1921), the Shinmin Autonomous Region in Manchuria (1929-1932), and revolutionary Spain (1936-1939). All four of these societies were war time societies. All formed in a short term power vacuum. The three previously experiments were defeated by external force of arms.

In Spain at least, there was constant tension between 'we need to win the war first to have the revolution' -vs- 'the revolution comes first'. The former ideal for most part won the day. Both The Nation, and the Rolling Stone articles point to this same dynamic, with the 'war first' ideal winning the day in Rojava.

But as you said, it's really hard for us to know here. We really need zombie G.Orwell to report on Rojava, but he'd probably sign up to fight instead. Being undead, that might be his best call anyways.
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Yesterday I listened to an interview of Andrej Grubacic on the Letters and Politics show by Mitch Jeserich. It was really good and he talked a fair amount about the IWW. I can't find it online even though you can go to https://kpfa.org/archives/ search the archives and find several episodes with Grubacic.

I imagine you are familiar with Grubacic who wrote, among other things obv., Wobblies & Zapatistas.
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This is from 2014 and is about the early days of the organization of the movement in Northern Syria.

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One thing I forgot to mention in my last post is the Rolling Stone mentions a Rojava recruitment website, <rojavaplan.com>, several times. Today, the home page has been stubbed out with only the following text: "RojavaPlan is now directly managed by the Rojava Economics Committee". More information coming soon.". However, the rest of the website is still all there. All you need to do to read it is get to most any subpage directly by URL... which is not at all hard to do.

Pretty interesting stuff.
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It gives me a little pause that there is a charismatic leader figure for Rojava. He doesn't wield power, but it seems counter to the ideology to even have the big photos everywhere.
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It gives me a little pause that there is a charismatic leader figure for Rojava. He doesn't wield power, but it seems counter to the ideology to even have the big photos everywhere.
Indeed.
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http://www.alternativelibertaire.org...ive-La-voie-du

This is a story from a French Anarchist site today

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Encircled by hostile forces, under-equipped with infrastructure, Syrian Kurdistan must face a major challenge: produce to feed its population. Far from statist utopias and the forced collectivization of the Stalinists of the past, the Rojava Self-Government encourages the free association of producers.
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"We want 80% of a cooperative economy. We do not believe in a socialist model that would ban private initiative. Our idea is that every person has an active economic role in society and that change happens gradually through people's participation , " explains Haval Rachid, co-chair of the Economics Department.
There are 100s of coops, some big ones

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Cooperatives are born in different ways: at the initiative of social movements, people, komin (to whom it is required to train at least one), or by transmission. In this field, the most active role is played by Havgartin, the largest cooperative in the region with 26,000 members.
Good attitude, see Deming and continuous improvement

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"We are experimenting a new path, we are trying to learn from the mistakes that we make every day. We do not have the answers to all requests. We would like, for example, to learn more about cooperative experiences in other countries and the good ideas that may be useful to our process, "
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A well written and at least somewhat critical (in the sense of being objective or at least not overt propaganda) overview of the background and system of government in Rojava. Unlike most info out there this is focused on civilian life and not the military/war.

http://libcom.org/news/democratic-co...istan-25042016
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https://www.aei.org/publication/u-s-...-syrian-kurds/

The neo-cons are supporting Rojava.
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I believe I'm starting something along the lines of an anarcho-syndicate. Well, a worker owned, democratic, nearly or fully non-hierarchical organization anyway.
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There's an Anarchist book fair tomorrow in Anaheim. I may be there.
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This may not be the best link, but this story about an Anarchist in the Taiwanese cabinet was in the LA Times today.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/los-...81560880708103
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I've heard this guy on the radio a few times (Letters and Politics - Mitch Jeserich) and like him a lot. This is a good talk imo.

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Is this still going on? Have they made any progress? Not once do I recall ever seeing this mentioned in the establishment media.
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Is this still going on? Have they made any progress? Not once do I recall ever seeing this mentioned in the establishment media.
Not that mass strike . I made a few posts in another thread that had some linkees to contemporaneous reporting. From the few reports that filtered out, it seems... while it was the largest US prison strike, it wasn't half as large as hoped for. It seems there there was a coordinated effort made by the prisons to prepare for the strike by laying in supplies/beefed up staffing/etc. The highlight was perhaps when a striking prison's own guards pulled a wildcat strike. The IWOC did an after action report, which should be on the interwebs somewhere, with actual facts, and such.

Organizing against slavery continues however... The IWOC sent out an email alert just today for phone-ins at a prison in GA, and at a prison in NC.
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