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Prostitute, or person who works in the field of prostitution? Prostitute, or person who works in the field of prostitution?

04-23-2014 , 04:45 PM
You can't possibly be dumb enough to have taken that post seriously right?
04-23-2014 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Deuces McKracken
I think maybe you and OP miss the point which is not to remove the stigma. The stigma is controlled by social forces so slow moving that it is more or less immutable. The choice of alternative language in this case, as in most similar cases, is to establish the communicator as respectful and nonjudgmental in order to set the proper context for the communication. The stigma is well known and unspoken. But you can choose how much you want to emphasize it's importance by the choice of words. So if you wanted to establish a different context you might walk up to the sex worker and call her a bitch or a ho, like if you were a pimp or a gangster and she was working your territory without your permission and you wanted to establish a dominant position in order to control her.
Don't get me wrong, I am aware of the power of language. And Im aware some word choices connote more respect. I get that "Whore" is pejorative where, imo, "prostitute" is more clinical.

I think there's some point where changing the words can become a ridiculous exercise. And to my point, the best alternative titles suggested above are the ones that completely obscure what the person is doing.
04-23-2014 , 05:29 PM
You'll see that kind of evolution in intelligence descriptions kurto. ******ed used to be clinical (as well as other names for calling people dumb). Now people are trained to say delayed or use the abbreviation MR.
04-23-2014 , 11:43 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Sex worker?
Passion Provider?
04-23-2014 , 11:47 PM
Wouldn't that be the John?

Err, "person in the market for sexual goods and services"
04-24-2014 , 12:06 AM
Ladies of negotiable affection as per Terry Pratchett.
04-24-2014 , 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
Lol I don't think you're really being as "controversial" as you think here, just that annoying, contrarian turd that always feels compelled to take any stance necessary to get maximum attention in the middle of class.

STFU and take notes like you should. You are that annoying guy every social studies class has.
i lol'd
04-24-2014 , 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Ladies of negotiable affection as per Terry Pratchett.
Or seamstresses.
04-24-2014 , 01:11 AM
Sex workers are always going to have a bit of a stigma. Probably good for prices though.
04-24-2014 , 02:09 AM
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Originally Posted by kurto
Don't get me wrong, I am aware of the power of language. And Im aware some word choices connote more respect. I get that "Whore" is pejorative where, imo, "prostitute" is more clinical.

I think there's some point where changing the words can become a ridiculous exercise. And to my point, the best alternative titles suggested above are the ones that completely obscure what the person is doing.
I don't think there is any point at which changing the words becomes a ridiculous exercise. I think you are thinking of the words as defining only the subject. You're saying "prostitute" defines some aspect of dude's interviewee. Ironically (and more importantly), it also defines the speaker and the context of the communication.

In the context that dude is going for it's true that better titles obscure what the person is doing. But that's OK because that is not an operational issue- we all know what the person is doing. To say that the better titles obscure is too broad a characterization. More importantly, they downplay and distance themselves from commonly held implications associated with the more common titles. In so doing they establish a nonjudgmental communication where information will flow more freely.

When I choose how to label you, the point is really to label myself and the frame of context I want to establish. Choosing a title has zero to do with obscuring operational definitions or stigmas, which are tacitly understood. If you think of them as obscuring, which is superficial, then yes they would be pointless. But they function on a deeper level than that.
04-24-2014 , 10:08 AM
I would like to see "stfu and take notes like you should" become a meme
04-24-2014 , 10:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
I would like to see "stfu and take notes like you should" become a meme
+1

I want an image of a pouty, downwardly-gazed and utterly dejected student in a rudiculous school uniform. Sobbing preferred.
04-24-2014 , 10:36 AM
LOL conformity. I don't even conform to being a nonconformist.
04-24-2014 , 01:02 PM
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Originally Posted by jmakinmecrzy
Lol I don't think you're really being as "controversial" as you think here, just that annoying, contrarian turd that always feels compelled to take any stance necessary to get maximum attention in the middle of class.

STFU and take notes like you should. You are that annoying guy every social studies class has.
04-24-2014 , 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill Haywood
I would like to see "stfu and take notes like you should" become a meme
Seriously? I would like to believe there is sarcasm there.
04-24-2014 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by seattlelou
Sex workers are always going to have a bit of a stigma. Probably good for prices though.
Probably bad for prices. If there was less stigma, more girls would become whores. This would lead to lower prices.
04-25-2014 , 01:48 AM
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Originally Posted by fun101
Probably bad for prices. If there was less stigma, more girls would become whores. This would lead to lower prices.
I was writing from a provider perspective. We agree.
04-25-2014 , 01:32 PM
04-25-2014 , 01:58 PM
I always thought that 'Escort' was the standard euphemism.
04-25-2014 , 03:24 PM
Various unions have popped up using "sex worker" as a descriptor. I think that is the preferred term.
04-25-2014 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by FlyWf
Damn, beat me to it.

"[Littlejohn] said it was 'political correctness gone mad.' They were prostitutes and should be called prostitutes. One wonders how far Richard Littlejohn would go for the accurate naming of dead women."
04-25-2014 , 06:53 PM
That was a pretty great youtube.
04-26-2014 , 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Regardless, yeah I'm that contrarial turd and take pride in it. And for the record, I think your approach, if not entirely flip, of STFU and take notes dulls the mind and fosters zero learning.
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Originally Posted by DudeImBetter
Count me as not shocked! Explains your contempt for the involved kid in your social studies classes, as you were probably watching the clock anxiously, hoping for class to be over soon!
You are smart DudeImBetter. You need to work on being less of a tool, or realize when you are being a tool and scale it back.

Jmakinmecrazy has attacked me probably as much as you have. He seems personable though and is funny. If I had to grab a beer with you or him 100 times. I would get a beer with him 100 times and you zero times. Well, maybe one time I would grab a beer with you to see how socially inept and annoying you are for the fun of it.

In B4 dudeimbetter saying i would never have a beer with idiot racist silverman rebuttal.
04-26-2014 , 08:16 AM
I would never a beer with...DAMN, BEAT ME TO IT.
04-26-2014 , 01:20 PM
i don't think hearing "hey, woman who works in the field of prostitution, how much does it cost to be inside of you?" will lessen the shame.

      
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