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03-02-2017 , 12:34 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
"The ideal subject of totalitarian rule is not the convinced Nazi or the convinced Communist, but people for whom the distinction between fact and fiction (i.e., the reality of experience) and the distinction between true and false (i.e., the standards of thought) no longer exist."
-Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism
How do you know she's not just saying this because it's true?
03-02-2017 , 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Worth noting that a couple days ago, one of my least favorite Congresscritters - Darrell Issa (R-CA) - called for an independent investigation of Russia connections and for Sessions to recuse himself - and that's before this latest news broke. As more of their own are forced to confront this issue, it's going to become harder for Republicans as a whole to just act like everything's okay and there's no story here.
Sure enough:



Sen. Rob Portman (R-OH), Rep. Barbara Comstock (R-VA) also call for Sessions to recuse himself. House Majority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) said the same thing in an interview with Morning Joe, but then equivocated later on Fox News.
03-02-2017 , 02:25 PM
Market is over 2100. I think investors are happy with Trump. This is why you need a businessman as President.
03-02-2017 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
This is why you need a businessman as President.
Obama took it from 8000 to 19700.
03-02-2017 , 02:35 PM
George W. Bush's ethics lawyer compares Sessions to Nixon's AG Kleindienst, says he needs to resign

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He did not reveal the communications at all, however. He did so knowing that Senator Franken was asking about communications with the Russians by anyone working for the Trump campaign, including people who, like Mr. Sessions, had other jobs while they volunteered for the Trump campaign. Mr. Sessionsís answer was at best a failure to provide accurate information to Congress, the same conduct that cost Attorney General Kleindienst his job.
03-02-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Market is over 2100. I think investors are happy with Trump. This is why you need a businessman as President.
We shall see. No way to tell until the end of his presidency and probably quite a few years afterwards. We've always argued back and forth whether a business person should ever be president, I guess we'll find out.

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Obama took it from 8000 to 19700.
He did. There are arguments that he could have done even better. That being said, he inherited a depressed market. For what Obama was given, he did a fantastic job in stabilizing multiple crises.
03-02-2017 , 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by mongidig
Market is over 2100. I think investors are happy with Trump. This is why you need a businessman as President.
That's not enough information to justify a need. It looks like a want. A comprehensive investigation of both business and men can sort that out.
03-02-2017 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
I was still making fun of you claiming it's super bad and I'm not from there

Willing to bet more than the letsgambool bet.
They do sell records across the whole country and even world wide you know right?
Oh, I never replied to this because I got a 24 hour chez-out.

I don't think it's a coincidence you made this comment :

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Reason: he also lives near the most thuggish people in the world and if you haven't been to philly don't even.
in a discussion about something I wasn't involved in and you also mentioned an underground rap duo from the area. You not answering the question of where you are from is hilarious.

Again, it just shows how incredibly dishonest you people are about everything. This one is really, truly funny though. Lol, Prana.
03-02-2017 , 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
We shall see. No way to tell until the end of his presidency and probably quite a few years afterwards. We've always argued back and forth whether a business person should ever be president, I guess we'll find out.

He did. There are arguments that he could have done even better. That being said, he inherited a depressed market. For what Obama was given, he did a fantastic job in stabilizing multiple crises.
Way too early to tell how trump will do with the market and the economy, but if he manages to do everything he's said he's going to do except create a trade war w/ china he will kill it.

Obviously obama wasn't concerned w/ aiding the market or the economy. Obama & the federal government combined deserve <5% of the credit for what the market and economy has done for the past 8 years. They grew in spite of him not because of him. Giving him credit for stabilizing the economy is nonsense.

For the record I believe bush deserves some of the blame as well, but not as much as obama (or as much as clinton does for his part of '08).
03-02-2017 , 03:54 PM
CNN says venue wasn't right place for trump to address sessions debacle. When has that ever stopped captain orange before?!?!?
03-02-2017 , 04:06 PM
Wow. If CNN says it then it must be true.
03-02-2017 , 04:21 PM
point being trump is in real *** if he's not going off the rails about the media crusade against him after his "glorious" speech.
03-02-2017 , 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Way too early to tell how trump will do with the market and the economy, but if he manages to do everything he's said he's going to do except create a trade war w/ china he will kill it.

Obviously obama wasn't concerned w/ aiding the market or the economy. Obama & the federal government combined deserve <5% of the credit for what the market and economy has done for the past 8 years. They grew in spite of him not because of him. Giving him credit for stabilizing the economy is nonsense.

For the record I believe bush deserves some of the blame as well, but not as much as obama (or as much as clinton does for his part of '08).
Ehh. He was put in a bad spot. What he inherited was awful, and we did really come close to a global catastrophe. Him playing it safe is very understandable. Stability was more important than growth, by far.

Obama deserves credit.
03-02-2017 , 04:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Obviously obama wasn't concerned w/ aiding the market or the economy. Obama & the federal government combined deserve <5% of the credit for what the market and economy has done for the past 8 years. They grew in spite of him not because of him. Giving him credit for stabilizing the economy is nonsense.
Get ready for 4+ years of Trumpkins saying this out of one side of their mouth while praising Trump's stock market out the other!
03-02-2017 , 04:57 PM
People forget how serious the credit crisis really was. It got really alarming in 2008 when they almost broke the buck. It was truly scary.
03-02-2017 , 05:17 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
Ehh. He was put in a bad spot. What he inherited was awful, and we did really come close to a global catastrophe. Him playing it safe is very understandable. Stability was more important than growth, by far.

Obama deserves credit.
He got saved by the the free market which was able to overcome government.

The free market deserves credit.

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Get ready for 4+ years of Trumpkins saying this out of one side of their mouth while praising Trump's stock market out the other!
I agree. People give the government and the president way too much credit when things are going well and not enough blame when things go bad. The government literally convinced people it was the free market that made '08 happen and government was the hero. The greatest example of amazing PR work I've ever seen.

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Originally Posted by wil318466
People forget how serious the credit crisis really was. It got really alarming in 2008 when they almost broke the buck. It was truly scary.
No doubt about that. It was the scariest market we have seen since the great depression. The government got us there and the free market saved us despite what the government's PR team has said.
03-02-2017 , 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
the free market saved us
Ah, yes, the "free market" swooped in to save the banks in the form of hundreds of billions of dollars given by the federal government. Did a bald eagle swoop in and save America with a single tear at the same time? Jesus ****ing christ this propaganda.

In news more relevant to this thread, Sessions just recused himself from any investigations relating to the 2016 presidential campaign in a press conference.
03-02-2017 , 05:30 PM
Left wing political correctness is getting out of control

03-02-2017 , 05:30 PM
goofy, what caused 2008 (assign percentages if more than one culprit is to blame)?

Why did the market and economy continue to get worse after the bank bailouts and all the QE?
03-02-2017 , 05:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
goofy, what caused 2008 (assign percentages if more than one culprit is to blame)?
Go start a thread if you want to have an extended discussion about the financial crisis. The only point to which I care to derail this thread is to point our your obvious bull**** when you suggest "the free market saved us".
03-02-2017 , 05:35 PM
Just answer this question: Do you think the government was a net positive on the economy in '08 & '09 and the free market was a net negative?
03-02-2017 , 05:39 PM
The Attorney General of our country is a lying liar.

https://twitter.com/CAPAction/status/837415896058642437
03-02-2017 , 05:39 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Just answer this question: Do you think the government was a net positive on the economy in '08 & '09
Yes.

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
and the free market was a net negative
This is a difficult and unbelievably complex question, but I think my answer is probably "no".
03-02-2017 , 05:42 PM
I'll never get tired of bahbah and wil having ~0 economic knowledge but thinking they do are professors while trying to minimize very, very complex issues into one sentence answers.
03-02-2017 , 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey
Just answer this question: Do you think the government was a net positive on the economy in '08 & '09 and the free market was a net negative?
Greed got us there. Government prevented the bottom falling out. Private sector was bad at times and good at times. You are not nearly as clever as you think you are.

      
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