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Originally Posted by goofyballer
Oh hey pdox, you're still here - I left this post for you yesterday, assumed you were still catching up.
Yah, I read one of your articles, I replied to it. After that, it seems obvious (as I replied to another poster) that there will be a chilling effect, which I believe was the main point of your other three articles. So, I'm agreeing with you that there's a huge chilling effect, but I'm still saying we have to reduce the number of people illegally residing here.
I didn't see anyone engaging my points though. Maybe I missed something. I'll go back.
Oh, now I'm remembering, you commented on the non-felony people swept up. If they are questioned/held and not charged or arrested and certainly not deported, I don't see any problem.
But back to my main point, we just have to get all the illegal immigrants documented and start them through the process of getting visas. The problem is with under-enforcement, not over-enforcement. Getting out of this legal hole we are in will definitely be messy (meaning some innocent lives will be damaged). We should strive to minimize that, but we should not ignore the situation.
I maintain that rounding up illegal immigrants convicted of felonies and deporting them is a good idea. I admitted that felony ID fraud to obtain a job should not be included. Now we have the question of where to round them up. I concede that using a domestic violence hearing is a bad idea. Maybe if the person is guilty of a minor drug trafficking felony (dare I call that minor?), then we should not track them down at a domestic violence hearing. But if murder, then get them where you can, imho. What if grand theft? I thought no-one addressed my questions, but I'll go back and check.
Unless I missed it, you didn't respond to my point re unemployment. You said I was arrogant for guessing that there would be 30% unemployment among those making less than $15/hr if minimum wage was increased to $15/hr. As I said above, my estimate would equate to 19M people thrown into unemployment. I found articles saying there would be 6M and 15M (if memory serves) thrown into unemployment due to an increase to $15/hr. Does that change your view of my guesswork in this case?