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You can say that it was in response to their being segregated white schools, but the impact on black students was that it offered them more options. Whether that was a good thing really depends on how the schools were managed.

There's nothing to be gained by throwing the book at her for something so petty.

The problem is that she's pushing to give people who know about anything greater autonomy in choosing how to structure their childrens education.

If betsy devos (or more realistically her husband) wasn't confident in the public educational system she(he) should have been more clear about the parameters of how you get recognized as an educational provider before trying to slam in the voucher system. It's one thing to say that you want to open it to competition - but when the message is coming under a president who was just recently fined millions of dollars for bilking people out of their retirement money under the guise of college education, you better expect that people are going to be weary of privatization without any clear specifics laid out.

edit: ESPECIALLY when the messenger is the wife of a guy who made his fortune via a company that's as close to being a pyramid scheme without being illegal.

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02-28-2017 , 05:27 PM

#2202

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You don't think there is less racism in housing and hiring than 10 years ago? You have got to be messing with me.

[Citation Needed]

02-28-2017 , 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by einbert

So the Muslim ban is technically bigoted, not racist. Same concept, just against a religion instead of a race.

For the second point, the wall on the border won't prevent illegal immigration and it makes it seem like illegal immigration from Mexico is a big problem. The wall won't solve the problem because it doesn't exist. It's a racist conspiracy to convince people of why their wages haven't risen in forty years even though GDP keeps rising massively over time (over the last forty years) and unemployment is at a very low 5%.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/2...-perhaps-less/

Your research cuts off in 2011.

02-28-2017 , 05:37 PM

#2204

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

Your research cuts off in 2011.

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-dru...gration-mexico

You gonna provide a cite for your claim that there is less housing discrimination now than ten years ago?

02-28-2017 , 05:39 PM

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https://multiculturalmeanderings.wor...m/hate-crimes/

02-28-2017 , 05:40 PM

#2206

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Reports of massive waves of hate crimes in the Denver area after the election:
http://denver.adl.org/reports-of-hat...fter-election/

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In the past month, the Anti-Defamation League recorded an increased number of reports of hate incidents and hate crimes. Incidents reported to the Mountain States regional office have included several instances of vandalism and anti-Semitic and racist graffiti to homes, cars, schools and businesses; offensive slurs and harassment against people of color, members of the LGBTQ community and Muslims wearing head coverings; and even an anti-immigrant display at a local club. ADL is in regular communication with local law enforcement and has responded to several individuals who have experienced such incidents.

Each day, we receive additional reports of incidents and crimes. Here are just a few of the headlines:

http://kdvr.com/2016/11/20/swastikas...nds-with-love/

http://www.denverpost.com/2016/11/30/hate-crime-aurora/

http://www.aurorasentinel.com/news/a...te-crime-week/

http://www.coloradohometownweekly.co...m-at-lafayette

http://www.vaildaily.com/news/lord-o...ck-by-vandals/

http://www.9news.com/news/local/stor...slur/356160991

http://www.9news.com/news/local/bar-...play/355548776

To report an anti-Semitic, racist or bigoted incident, go to: www.adl.org/exposehate.

02-28-2017 , 05:41 PM

#2207

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

Goofy, go to bed and wake up tomorrow fresh and ready to post another 20 links to random ****ty articles ITT for us.

Bahbah your claim that racism has declined in recent years has been challenged. You don't have to justify your claims so far if you don't wish. However, as per the rules, you need to be providing credible sources if you wish to continue repeating or defending it.

Also - and this applies to everyone - please don't make an issue out of the person posting rather than the content of the argument.

02-28-2017 , 05:41 PM

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http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...rumps-election

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Since Donald Trump won the Presidential election, there has been a dramatic uptick in incidents of racist and xenophobic harassment across the country. The Southern Poverty Law Center has reported that there were four hundred and thirty-seven incidents of intimidation between the election, on November 8th, and November 14th, targeting blacks and other people of color, Muslims, immigrants, the L.G.B.T. community, and women. One woman in Colorado told the S.P.L.C. that her twelve-year-old daughter was approached by a boy who said, “Now that Trump is President, I’m going to shoot you and all the blacks I can find.” At a school in Washington State, students chanted “build a wall” in a cafeteria. In Texas, someone saw graffiti at work: “no more illegals 1-20-17,” a reference to Inauguration Day.

Such harassment occurred throughout Trump’s campaign, but now appears to have taken on a new boldness, empowered by the election of a Ku Klux Klan-endorsed candidate who has denigrated women and racial and religious minorities. “This represents a big increase in what we’ve seen since the campaign, and these incidents are far and wide: we’re seeing them in schools, we’re seeing them in places of business, we’re seeing them in museums and gas stations,” Richard Cohen, the president of the S.P.L.C., said. “White supremacists are celebrating, and it’s their time, the way they see it.” Cohen said that an online survey of teachers found that more than half had seen an increase in hostile speech during the campaign. Students of color have wondered aloud if their parents will be deported.

“We’ve seen a great deal of really troubling stuff in the last week, a spike in harassment, a spike in vandalism, physical assaults. Something is happening that was not happening before,” Jonathan Greenblatt, the national director of the Anti-Defamation League, said. “We’ve been inundated with reports; it’s really crazy out there.” The A.D.L. has also been recording incidents of threats and harassment, and, in October, released a report on a rise in anti-Semitic harassment, often aimed at journalists, on Twitter during the Presidential campaign. (As Ryan Lizza wrote, Twitter has been slow to respond to user complaints.) Some of the harassment would, arguably, have happened without Trump’s rhetoric. But his election has encouraged people to monitor and report such incidents.

Now Shaun King, a writer for the Daily News, is working with the open-source software company Ushahidi to create a map of post-election intimidation. “Thousands of people have emailed me incident reports over the past seven days,” King wrote me in an e-mail. “The team at Ushahidi is helping me go through them, verify them the best we can, catalogue and then map them, then share them.” The aim is to raise awareness of politically motivated violence and help people stay safe, report it to authorities as needed, and create a database of such incidents.

If the harassment continues, states may be pressured to strengthen their protections of racial, religious, and sexual minorities. Some, such as South Carolina, still don’t have hate-crimes laws, despite the fact that there was a sixty-seven-per-cent increase in hate crimes against Muslims nationally last year. Trump has repeatedly been asked to condemn white-nationalist supporters, such as David Duke, and the violence inspired by his campaign, and his responses have been notably halfhearted. On Sunday, in an interview on “60 Minutes,” he said that he had not heard about much racial abuse since the election, and added, “If it helps, I will say this … stop it.” That same day, he named Steve Bannon, the former chairman of Breitbart, the right-wing news site with strong connections to white nationalism, as his senior counselor and chief strategist.

02-28-2017 , 05:41 PM

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In Fox News interview, Trump says he can take deserved criticism but declines to give any examples when asked

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KILMEADE: You said before, I can take hits when it's justified.

TRUMP: Correct.

KILMEADE: Right.

TRUMP: One hundred percent.

KILMEADE: Can you give me an example of a time when someone was critical of you and you thought to yourself, I deserved that hit, I deserved that column, I deserved...

TRUMP: No, probably I could never do that.

If you watch video it's clear "I could never do that" is a joke, but instead of giving any examples of a time when criticism of him was justified he goes on to talk about...

Quote:

Originally Posted by Donald Trump

But when they make stories up, when they create sources -- because I believe that sometimes they don't have sources, you know, the sources don't exist, and sometimes they do exist. I'm not saying all sources, but I believe that a lot of the sources are made up, a lot of the stories are made up. I believe a lot of the stories are pure fiction, they just pull it out of air.

Remember, Trump thinks the media makes up stories because he made up a fake "publicist" to brag about himself years ago (which he still lies about today, btw) and assumes everyone operates like he does.

02-28-2017 , 05:47 PM

#2210

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Originally Posted by chezlaw

The left wins by moderation again.

02-28-2017 , 05:48 PM

#2211

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Originally Posted by einbert

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-d...rumps-election

From your article, which sums up the increase.

Quote:

But his election has encouraged people to monitor and report such incidents.

02-28-2017 , 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

The left wins by moderation again.

Oh hey pdox, you're still here - I left this post for you yesterday, assumed you were still catching up.

02-28-2017 , 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

The left wins by moderation again.

How? What was won, and who specifically won?

02-28-2017 , 05:55 PM

#2214

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Originally Posted by Victor

well, I think you are wrong. [when mickey stated there is less racism now compared to 3-10 years ago]

I could challenge this. Ask for sources, but that is boring.

You are measuring different things. mickey mentioned housing and employment as what to measure.

02-28-2017 , 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mongidig

... conservatives=white supremacist...

Agree with mongidig

02-28-2017 , 05:56 PM

#2216

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Originally Posted by einbert

So the Muslim ban is technically bigoted, not racist. Same concept, just against a religion instead of a race.

So you were incorrect when you said it was racist.

Quote:

Originally Posted by einbert

For the second point, the wall on the border won't prevent illegal immigration and it makes it seem like illegal immigration from Mexico is a big problem. The wall won't solve the problem because it doesn't exist. It's a racist conspiracy to convince people of why their wages haven't risen in forty years even though GDP keeps rising massively over time (over the last forty years) and unemployment is at a very low 5%.

http://www.pewhispanic.org/2012/04/2...-perhaps-less/

Many people think having 11 million illegal undocumented people in the country is a problem, and not necessarily for racist reasons.

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02-28-2017 , 05:58 PM

#2217

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

How? What was won, and who specifically won?

Those arguing against mickey have "won" by getting him out of the argument, if he decides not to reply cuz it's boring or for other reasons. Or they have won by forcing the right (mickey, in this case) do waste time with pointless research.

02-28-2017 , 05:58 PM

#2218

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

The left wins by moderation again.

Please do bring your concerns to the moderation thread if this reply doesnt satisfy:

The citation rule applies to everyone and to any reasonable demand for a citation.

02-28-2017 , 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by BroadwaySushy

So you were incorrect when you said it was racist.

Many people think having 11 million illegal undocumented people in the country is a problem, and not necessarily for racist reasons.

Actually when Muslims or immigrants are targeted based on their appearance, it is appearance-based discrimination, AKA racism like judging by the appearance of skin color or 'racial appearance'.

Name-based discrimination also.

02-28-2017 , 06:01 PM

#2220

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Originally Posted by markksman

Agree with mongidig

Citation required.

02-28-2017 , 06:03 PM

#2221

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

Arguers who have weaker knowledge about racism than other arguers probably defeat themselves by trying to argue about racism well before any mod shows up.

02-28-2017 , 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by pokerodox

You are measuring different things. mickey mentioned housing and employment as what to measure.

Mickey made a large number of claims and in particular said Indian people reconsidering travel/study plans to the US aren't looking very intelligent in light of Indians being racially targeted by a white nationalist, in addition to claiming racism is on the decline and staying on the decline, full stop (multiple times if you'd like more citations of him doing so, just let me know).

LOL at crying "unfair!" when someone asks him to back that up.

02-28-2017 , 06:07 PM

#2223

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

I will continue to call out racist crimes.
I never said immigrant communities shouldn't feel scared.

I will also continue to call out people who to try to downplay the amazing work politicians, civil right activists and normal every day people have done in curbing racism in this country.

Awesome, please continue to call out racist crimes. And no one is downplaying any civil rights accomplishments. On the contrary, civil rights leaders of TODAY are standing with the immigrants and everyone who is scared of the fascist threat.

02-28-2017 , 06:08 PM

#2224

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Originally Posted by bahbahmickey

Again, I believe the growth in the economy we will see from goaTRUMP (as opposed if we had hillary or 8 more years of obama) will overcome a 6-7% loss in tourism (as predicted by some travel magazine who probably pulled that number straight from the ass of one of their employers who probably understands less about the economy than obama). I think the whole of the country especially the poor are way better off under Trump so I don't care if we have a few less visitors.

7% is just the beginning. It will be down 20 by the end of the year.