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Old 02-27-2017, 11:51 PM   #2126
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You have no idea what duke stands for except white supremacy. He's not small government, low taxes, religious liberty, or a strong America.
Neither are Republicans! Neither are conservatives who voted in Republicans! Those values were molted long ago in favor of white identity politics and authoritarianism towards minorities. AKA White Supremacy!
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Old 02-27-2017, 11:52 PM   #2127
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No, what it is is me saying I'm sick and tired of tone policing and I won't have it any more.

http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/tone...-goes-one-way/
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Old 02-27-2017, 11:53 PM   #2128
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Oh, you thought I was simply arguing for responses? And you read conservative minds too? Wild.

I actually think you are just under half-correct FYI. Only you are about 10 years, or so, too late in my estimation and in the wrong place. However, best wishes in your endeavors.
It's situational for every person. Thanks! Good luck to you as well.
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Old 02-27-2017, 11:55 PM   #2129
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Donald Trump isn't some radical in a cave somewhere. He's the President and leader of the conservative party in the U.S., and a straight up white supremacist/fascist with a fascist policy agenda. If somebody is working directly for Al-Qaeda, then YES, you can call them a terrorist!
Donald Trump is a lot of horrible things but he isn't David Duke.

If he was an avowed white supremacist leader at some point what you said would make sense.
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Old 02-27-2017, 11:56 PM   #2130
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No, what it is is me saying I'm sick and tired of tone policing and I won't have it any more.

http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/tone...-goes-one-way/
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:01 AM   #2131
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Neither are Republicans! Neither are conservatives who voted in Republicans! Those values were molted long ago in favor of white identity politics and authoritarianism towards minorities. AKA White Supremacy!
Nah man. It's been awhile since I respected a GOP politician, but I respect my right-leaning friends. As we speak some of them are organizing with likeminded republicans and democrats.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:06 AM   #2132
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Donald Trump is a lot of horrible things but he isn't David Duke.

If he was an avowed white supremacist leader at some point what you said would make sense.
No this isn't true. Trump isn't a true conservative. His cabinet has been giving David duke early birthday presents for the last three months. He's a conman and he's only done big-business and klan bidding. That's not who actual conservatives are.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:08 AM   #2133
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Nah man. It's been awhile since I respected a GOP politician, but I respect my right-leaning friends. As we speak some of them are organizing with likeminded republicans and democrats.
Tell me the last time Paul Ryan, John McCain, Mitch McConnell, Trump Bannon, Sessions, or any other GOP leader stood up for any of those values you just mentioned. One single goddamn time. Because I could write a whole essay on how they have abandoned each of those values wholesale.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:11 AM   #2134
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No this isn't true. Trump isn't a true conservative. His cabinet has been giving David duke early birthday presents for the last three months. He's a conman and he's only done big-business and klan bidding. That's not who actual conservatives are.
Sessions? Confirmed by the Republican Senate. Devos? Confirmed by the Republican Senate. Tillerson? Confirmed by the Republican Senate.

Bannon and Miller are unconfirmed positions, but Republicans haven't been too eager to criticize those picks either. Face it, the entire Republican party is complicit in this administration. This IS who conservatives are now.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:12 AM   #2135
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Donald Trump is a lot of horrible things but he isn't David Duke.

If he was an avowed white supremacist leader at some point what you said would make sense.
Well, trump has settled multiple times in cases for racial discrimination. Duke hasn't.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:13 AM   #2136
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You know Trump called for a ban of all Muslims in the United States and that got him a ton of support in the Republican primary right?
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:16 AM   #2137
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It's. Not. Just. Trump.

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Old 02-28-2017, 12:28 AM   #2138
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Tell me the last time Paul Ryan, John McCain, Mitch McConnell, Trump Bannon, Sessions, or any other GOP leader stood up for any of those values you just mentioned. One single goddamn time. Because I could write a whole essay on how they have abandoned each of those values wholesale.
I cant, for McCain I'd likely have to go back to twentieth century. That's why I don't respect them. But turns out for some people top marginal small-business/farm tax rate is THE issue, and they want to talk about it. but to find anyone who would talk about it they have to go to a venue that also fields lapierre and bannon as invited speakers. they need to be reminded that normal republicans shpuldnt actually support any of that.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:30 AM   #2139
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Well, trump has settled multiple times in cases for racial discrimination. Duke hasn't.
Does that seem like a fair metric to judge who is more racist? I'm sure you wouldn't accept a defense ot Duke using the fact that he never has been charged with racial discrimination, would you?

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You know Trump called for a ban of all Muslims in the United States and that got him a ton of support in the Republican primary right?
Yup. He capitalized on sensationalism and fear. An irrational fear of terrorism is something different than becoming a member of the KKK.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:33 AM   #2140
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It's. Not. Just. Trump.

I am heavily on board the train to have trump release his tax returns but the reason Republicans are backing him on this is clearly for political reasons.

There is no reason to think it has anything to do with racism.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:37 AM   #2141
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I'd argue its more racist than the KKK to be a racist and POTUS. So Trump wins biggest racist of the times.
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Old 02-28-2017, 12:40 AM   #2142
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I am heavily on board the train to have trump release his tax returns but the reason Republicans are backing him on this is clearly for political reasons.

There is no reason to think it has anything to do with racism.
That's right, the tax return issue isn't about racism. It's about conflicts of interest, ties to Russia, and Republicans in Congress refusing to hold true to their supposed values of "America First," "strong on national security," "not stealing money from people is good," etc. etc. etc.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:14 AM   #2143
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I'd argue its more racist than the KKK to be a racist and POTUS. So Trump wins biggest racist of the times.
You have to know that's just not how this works. You are conflating two different things.

Having the ability to enact policy makes a politician's values more important but it doesn't necessarily change them.

People who voted for Trump didn't think they were voting for David Duke. (And they weren't. They just voted for an idiot)
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:16 AM   #2144
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That's right, the tax return issue isn't about racism. It's about conflicts of interest, ties to Russia, and Republicans in Congress refusing to hold true to their supposed values of "America First," "strong on national security," "not stealing money from people is good," etc. etc. etc.
Yup. They are *******s who only care about protecting the party and their own political careers.
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Old 02-28-2017, 01:59 AM   #2145
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You have to know that's just not how this works. You are conflating two different things.

Having the ability to enact policy makes a politician's values more important but it doesn't necessarily change them.

People who voted for Trump didn't think they were voting for David Duke. (And they weren't. They just voted for an idiot)
Nothing has been conflated. it's simple-
A big racist in the biggest position is the biggest racist. Not just racist, HUGE sexist. Large bigot. Very fascist. Possibly an idiot, but guile isn't exactly idiotic.
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:04 AM   #2146
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Yes, racists do and so do people fooled by racists. Why would opining how much or little racism is maybe happening compared to whenever matter to all the people facing bigotry and discrimination 3 months ago, yesterday, and today?

And it's not just racism, but like a whole clan of prejudices are going around to be seen.
The reason I keep bringing up the point that there is less racism today than at any other point in our history is because there are many liberals out there that truly believe racism is way worse today than in previous years. Sometimes I have to remind people that just because you hear more about racism doesn't equal more racism.

The reason I brought it up this time was because someone posted about how a few Indian students may not come to the US anymore because they are mis-informed about the racism in the US.
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:09 AM   #2147
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In first amendment news, hot on the heels of Arizona introducing a bill to subject protesters to racketeering laws:



Hey, that's healthy. Now we have the Tucson police department shoving an 86 year old woman to the ground and pepper spraying a 65 year old woman who tries to help her.

2017, in which the right to protest is a partisan issue.
I hate to Monday morning quarterback a police officer (especially in a video that starts right in the middle of a situation like this), but it did look like those protesters were blocking a street and getting physical with the officers. The woman looked to be pushing the officer and then it appeared the officer gently pushed the woman's hand away. I'm not sure what caused her to fall, but there is no way it was the officer guiding her hand away from his body. If that is the case I bet this woman falls 50 times a day.

I just thank God this woman wasn't an African American. We would have been forced to watch this 100 times if so.
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Old 02-28-2017, 11:13 AM   #2148
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Less racism before all this trump and alt right bs against muslims and immigrants. So like the era around 3 to 10 yrs ago .
I am asking about total racism against all people. I am sure there are some groups that face more discrimination now than they ever have, but the less racism other groups face overcomes that.
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The reason I keep bringing up the point that there is less racism today than at any other point in our history is because there are many liberals out there that truly believe racism is way worse today than in previous years. Sometimes I have to remind people that just because you hear more about racism doesn't equal more racism.

The reason I brought it up this time was because someone posted about how a few Indian students may not come to the US anymore because they are mis-informed about the racism in the US.
It's not a point, it's your opinion and a reason to endlessly argue with posters like the ones you reference. It's a useless opinion in my opinion of the practical matters of stopping discrimination and informing people about racism actually happening.

Does it make you feel better to think there is less now than before? What do you further think people should do with your opinion after you have informed them?
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Similar to saying radical Islamic jihad, we are not making any friends by lumping conservatives and white supremacists.

To all conservatives here, why do you think white supremacists are supporting voter ID laws? Maybe you should break with them on that.
I believe the reason so many white supremacists support voter ID laws is the same reason they support lower taxes, looser gun laws, less government and getting rid of minimum wage. It is because so many of them are conservatives and support conservative laws.
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