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02-27-2017 , 10:58 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Consider this.
An employee handbook for junior managers?
02-27-2017 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
An employee handbook for junior managers?
Close. How to win friends and influence people.
02-27-2017 , 11:03 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Identifying doesn't mean equating. Give them a chance to reverse their policy, rather than corner them into an identity crisis.
Does confrontation make you uncomfortable?
02-27-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Does confrontation make you uncomfortable?
That method doesn't preclude confrontation. It's just a bit easier.
02-27-2017 , 11:05 PM


02-27-2017 , 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Victor
ok, lets find common ground.

what do you think of the current attorney general, sessions, disregarding the ferguson report as shown in einberts post above?

what do you think of sessions being denied a federal judgeship due to racism in the past?

what do you think of sessions being linked to voter disenfranchisement of minorities in the past?

what do you think of voter id laws, which have been found to disenfranchise black voters, being allowed by this administration?
I'd want to do a lot more research into each specific thing you're mentioning to be comfortable in having a strong position, but, offhand:

1. I think the DOJ got it right, and Sessions is wrong re: Ferguson.

2. You're presupposing he's a racist. What specifically is he accused of doing? I've heard from 'the dark side' that he got the death penalty for a KKK member, and I've heard an interview with an African American coworker who vehemently denied Sessions was anything close to racist. If he's a racist, he shouldn't be Attorney General, obviously.

3. If that's true, it's despicable and should disqualify him from the position he holds.

4. I don't know, not informed enough to have a strong opinion. Part of me thinks, why is it difficult to get an ID. Another part thinks that anything that adversely impacts one group over another is probably unjust.

Spankthewookie, it's hard to decipher what you're saying.
02-27-2017 , 11:08 PM
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2. You're presupposing he's a racist. What specifically is he accused of doing? I've heard from 'the dark side' that he got the death penalty for a KKK member, and I've heard an interview with an African American coworker who vehemently denied Sessions was anything close to racist. If he's a racist, he shouldn't be Attorney General, obviously.
Not just accusations, this is all a matter of public record. He prosecuted black voting rights activists in Alabama in a designed effort to intimidate and prevent other people from becoming voting right activists or voting themselves. It's some terrifying stuff, you should really read about it before you comment too much.


02-27-2017 , 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
you should really read about it before you comment too much.
I prefaced my post by saying as much, but I wanted to answer Victor.
02-27-2017 , 11:23 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
That method doesn't preclude confrontation. It's just a bit easier.
It's not easier or harder. It's situational. You are free to have a different read and approach on the situation just as I do.
02-27-2017 , 11:34 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
It's not easier or harder. It's situational. You are free to have a different read and approach on the situation just as I do.
Perhaps it's situational, but generally that method is easier to get people to respond to your arguments. You are free to argue however you like, but this particular exchange is public, so any conservative-leaning lurkers (if they are there) are likely turned off when in the heat of confrontation with a troll you equate conservatives to extremists.

We need people to understand that a policy can install institutional racism, not that their uncle Remus cannot come over for dinner anymore on account of his white hood.
02-27-2017 , 11:36 PM
Racist and bigoted. Sessions is old-school prejudiced about pot smokers.
02-27-2017 , 11:39 PM
Are we more worried about tone policing or taking people's right to vote away? Just checking here, just checking.
02-27-2017 , 11:39 PM
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02-27-2017 , 11:43 PM
02-27-2017 , 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Racist and bigoted. Sessions is old-school prejudiced about pot smokers.
Duke isn't a true conservative. He is an extremist. Sessions appears to be doing something that an extremist is happy about. True conservatives should seriously question whether that voter ID requirement is in fact oppressive.
02-27-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Are we more worried about tone policing or taking people's right to vote away? Just checking here, just checking.
Are we here just to rant, or actually influence people?
02-27-2017 , 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Duke isn't a true conservative. He is an extremist. Sessions appears to be doing something that an extremist is happy about. True conservatives should seriously question whether that requirement is in fact oppressive.
They're both extremists, can you not see that. Duke IS a true conservative. That's the core ethos of the Republican party right now--white supremacy. Why is it that we can't say so? Is it not politically correct?
02-27-2017 , 11:47 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
Are we more worried about tone policing or taking people's right to vote away? Just checking here, just checking.
These two things aren't mutually exclusive. It is possible to be worried about both.

Is this an ends justify the means argument? An admission that you know that conservatives aren't all white supremacists but you feel justified saying they are in order to ensure a fair voting process?
02-27-2017 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
They're both extremists, can you not see that. Duke IS a true conservative. That's the core ethos of the Republican party right now--white supremacy. Why is it that we can't say so? Is it not politically correct?
How is this any different then saying the core ethos of Islam is radical jihad? Are you going to say all muslims are jihadists?
02-27-2017 , 11:49 PM
No, what it is is me saying I'm sick and tired of tone policing and I won't have it any more.

http://www.rawstory.com/2013/05/tone...-goes-one-way/
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Basically, I think the problem is everyone knows that progressives are the good guys and reactionaries are the bad guys, and so the onus to take the high road is always and forever on progressives. The problem, of course, is the “high road” is a constantly shifting target. If you refrain from overt jokes about conservatives, the next thing you’re told is too far is sarcasm. If you cave into the intense pressure to stop using terms like “racist” and “sexist” accurately, as we’ve witnessed, even talking about the concept of privilege is considered a bridge too far. You begin to realize that speaking at all from the position of moral authority as a progressive is what is offensive, because you make people feel bad for, well, being bad people.

Indeed, the entire term “political correctness” relies on this unarticulated understanding that the only person who can ever be rude rendering judgment of the opinions of the other side is progressives. Conservatives bitch about liberals constantly, usually in much nastier fashions, but are pretty much never accused of trying to enforce their political correctness on liberals. Refraining from having an opinion about the other side’s opinions is strictly a moral obligation of the left in mainstream discourse.

This knee-jerk assumption that progressives are being rude for simply speaking, coupled with a permissive attitude towards overt nastiness from conservatives is all over Michael Kinsley’s piece in The New Republic where he complains that pro-gay marriage people are, to be blunt, partying too hard in the end zone. (Which they haven’t actually reached.) Sure, gays are being bashed and denied their rights in this country every day, but the real problem is that pro-gay people make anti-gay people feel bad for being bad people. He talks about Ben Carson, who is a homobigot who runs around on TV advocating that gay people be denied their basic human rights, and whose fear of having to face down the people who aren’t as awful as him caused him to withdraw from speaking at Johns Hopkins. Kinsley openly characterizes progressive discourse about conservative opinions as an affront to free speech rights.

But it was wrong for the university, once the invitation had been extended, to make Carson feel unwanted to the point of withdrawing. (In fact, it was wrong of Carson to let Hopkins off the hook in this way.) Behind the First Amendment is the notion that good ideas have a natural buoyancy that bad ideas do not. In fact, the very short (as these things go) debate about marriage equality demonstrates this. Denying Carson the right to speak was not just unprincipled. It was unnecessary. The proponents of marriage equality have not just won. They have routed the opposition. It’s a moment to be gracious, not vindictive.
02-27-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by sylar
Perhaps it's situational, but generally that method is easier to get people to respond to your arguments. You are free to argue however you like, but this particular exchange is public, so any conservative-leaning lurkers (if they are there) are likely turned off when in the heat of confrontation with a troll you equate conservatives to extremists.

We need people to understand that a policy can install institutional racism, not that their uncle Remus cannot come over for dinner anymore on account of his white hood.
Oh, you thought I was simply arguing for responses? And you read conservative minds too? Wild.

I actually think you are just under half-correct FYI. Only you are about 10 years, or so, too late in my estimation and in the wrong place. However, best wishes in your endeavors.
02-27-2017 , 11:49 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
They're both extremists, can you not see that. Duke IS a true conservative. That's the core ethos of the Republican party right now--white supremacy. Why is it that we can't say so? Is it not politically correct?
You have no idea what duke stands for except white supremacy. He's not small government, low taxes, religious liberty, or a strong America. He's not for our troops which is the most integrated force in the world. This isn't about political correctness. This is about separating conservatives away from deplorables.
02-27-2017 , 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMadcap
How is this any different then saying the core ethos of Islam is radical jihad?
Donald Trump isn't some radical in a cave somewhere. He's the President and leader of the conservative party in the U.S., and a straight up white supremacist/fascist with a fascist policy agenda. If somebody is working directly for Al-Qaeda, then YES, you can call them a terrorist!

      
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