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Wil, you just said something "never happens" then were given 400 sourced instances within the last year and told people who laughed at you for saying that they had a warped view of reality. Well done.

I'm sure those jewish cemetaries were also desecrated to make white people look bad, or it only muslims burning their own **** for attention?

02-26-2017 , 10:09 PM

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No, wil really doesn't see it, that quote is probably honest and accurate. He doesn't want to, so he doesn't.

Well, we gave him 400 cited incidents within the last year and he's still talking about them being fabricated. He can't shift from his narrative.

02-26-2017 , 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie

I am not troubled by frauds. They are as investigate-able as the real thing. Why do you keep telling me to open my eyes> I see fear mongering and bigotry at a highly accurate rate and with specifics.

You seem to have a stereotypical view of what's going on. If there were whites going around in the night doing terrifying and disturbing things towards other people, you might even miss it's happening because you are too busy telling the well-sighted to stop being blind.

I actually have the nonstereotypical view. Whites, in general, aren't a problem. Sure, there is racism and even violence, but in general I'm not worried about it at all. This narrative that they are evil and violent just isn't what I feel in the least bit. I travel a little but I'm mostly in cities, I don't see any of that. It sure seems like a narrative that the media wants to push, though.

02-26-2017 , 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by aoFrantic

Well, we gave him 400 cited incidents within the last year and he's still talking about them being fabricated. He can't shift from his narrative.

I think a larger % of them are fabricated than you'd like to admit.

02-26-2017 , 10:15 PM

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Well, we gave him 400 cited incidents within the last year and he's still talking about them being fabricated. He can't shift from his narrative.

No, that's just his nature. He's like one of the robots from Westworld. Show him evidence that his reality isn't real - whether it be that photo of a woman standing in a city, or hundreds of incidents of Islamophobia - and the only possible response is "that doesn't look like anything to me".

02-26-2017 , 10:17 PM

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In news more relevant to this thread:

Philip Bilden withdraws from consideration for Secretary of the Navy

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02-26-2017 , 10:28 PM

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I think a larger % of them are fabricated than you'd like to admit.

Prove one was fabricated that I linked. Just one, and I won't post again in chezland in 2017 you lying, stupid, coward.

02-26-2017 , 10:31 PM

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Ok, so, this 67th trimester abortion has me on ignore, but for anybody curious:

The post below is pure far-right hate propaganda, and it's 2fold.

1. The case of the hijab snatching is almost literally the only 1 that was fake.

2. The reasons some of the others are considered fake? Because the perpetrators were not white. A black man spray paints 'trump rules' or some bull**** and literally the only claim that it's 'fake' is that the man is black.

Yes, it really is that tragicomic and stupid.

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I see no clear prejudice and discrimination against Muslims on a small or wide scale. What I do see is cases of many Muslims and minorities creating fabrications about Trump supporters attacking them. Look at me! Look at me! Three white men snatched my hijab and attacked me!

It's literally so rare that these people have to fake it.

02-26-2017 , 10:41 PM

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Again, basically only the hijab snatch.

Wil does not understand the difference between the bolded and using MAGA as a scapegoat for unrelated mayhem, because his parents tried to abort him in his 20s and it left him with shortcomings, but other people can understand.

It's pure hateful propagandist nonsense.

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You don't think it's a little troubling that people are literally faking incidents of hate? What does that actually prove? That people WANT the narrative that white people are evil, that white people hate minorities. That simply isn't the case, so much so they have to fake the incidents!

Only a fool would have believed that incident with the burned church and "vote Trump!" Spray painted on the side was true. Come on man. Open your eyes. White people aren't running around in hoods and attacking non-whites at night. I'm tired of this narrative and it annoys me that I have to defend them.

02-26-2017 , 10:50 PM

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Hey fellas give it a rest for the rest of the night. Have a drink, hang out, watch the oscars if that's your thing. Spend some quality time with friends/family especially your significant other. America will be fine tonight, TRUMP won't be taking over as dictator tonight. Get recharged, relax.

02-26-2017 , 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wil318466

when you are traveling do you see muslims being a problem? or is it just what you feel?

regardless, I dont think anyone is really arguing that "whites" are a problem.

02-26-2017 , 11:06 PM

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no, its another instance of wil arguing against what he wants to argue against, not what anyone is actually asserting.

02-26-2017 , 11:14 PM

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Prove one was fabricated that I linked. Just one, and I won't post again in chezland in 2017 you lying, stupid, coward.

Looking at your 2nd link it seems like the majority of them are harassment. Sure, people are ignorant, it happens. I don't think it's all that common, and not a sentiment that I come across often. Is 400 "incidents", many that seem to be just ignorant people saying ignorant things, in a country of 325 million people is a lot? Put it in perspective.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/15/u...lims.html?_r=0

Blacks were the most frequent victims of hate crimes based on race, while Jews were the most frequent victims based on religion, according to the F.B.I. data. But the increases in attacks on these groups were smaller than the rise in attacks against Muslims and transgender people.

Over all, 59 percent of the hate crimes that the F.B.I. recorded were based on the victims’ race, ethnicity or ancestry. Religious bias accounted for about 20 percent of all attacks, and about 18 percent of attacks were based on sexual orientation.

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when you are traveling do you see muslims being a problem? or is it just what you feel?

regardless, I dont think anyone is really arguing that "whites" are a problem.

I guess we look at the situations differently. It's definitely what I feel is portrayed.

02-26-2017 , 11:15 PM

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Prove one was fabricated that I linked. Just one, and I won't post again in chezland in 2017 you lying, stupid, coward.

Funny how these guys always resort to personal attacks eventually.

Quite pathetic really.

02-26-2017 , 11:27 PM

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I'd argue the reverse, actually. I have a much, MUCH Bette sense of reality than many of you. That's why when it comes to guessing what will happen or in discussions that actually, you know, involve people I'm the one who usually winds up right.

Believe what you wish, though. The majority of this forum don't like when they are wrong and make excuses when they are wrong. It's human nature. If I were you, I'd dislike me too.

Well this is the one area where we should all defer to your expertise.

02-26-2017 , 11:51 PM

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But you SAY that you see the racism and that you don't want to do anything about it. So why are you now denying the racism?? I don't understand, wil.

02-27-2017 , 12:50 AM

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Funny how these guys always resort to personal attacks eventually.

Quite pathetic really.

Yeah, that's much worse than labeling hundreds of cases of harassment and crimes against a race as "fabricated."

Wil, those are just the ones reported. How many times do you think a brown person is told "go back to your country"and it never sees a paper or gets any ink spilled over it vs how often it gets written about?

02-27-2017 , 03:15 AM

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Hey guys, just saw a video of a totally normal Trump supporter. I try to stick to news but will make an exception for whoever posted that video of some crazy liberal on Tucker Carlson the other day and thought that was important to share.

"All of these foreigners are living off of us good, working, white people." Totally normal right-wing rhetoric.

02-27-2017 , 04:49 AM

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Anyone else get down on some Moonlight best pic for +550? Was only able to get $100 in. Was counting on the liberal agenda to come through. La La Land was -600, big fave. Politics aside, I do think Moonlight was a much better movie than La La Land. It seemed kinda fabricated to make La La Land this big favorite, and make Moonlight the underdog. When Moonlight had better acting, story, cinematography all around.

As liberal as Hollywood is, I wish they had gone with Lion though. That story transcended a stereotypical message, and spoke to humanity.

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02-27-2017 , 05:14 AM

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You are not worried about it because it doesn't happen to you. But the victims of racism feel it in a very real way. both individual acts of racism and institutional effects. Saying you don't notice it means you are not empathizing with a very dire problem for them. Think about that for a few minutes.

02-27-2017 , 05:21 AM

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I think you are taking wil's words selectively to fit your view. He never said he doesn't experience racism. He is just highlighting that the volume that it happens and causes violence is blown way out of proportion.

02-27-2017 , 05:29 AM

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Im asking him to imagine how it feels when a racist acts happens to someone but the rhetoric they hear back is that the problem of racism doesn't happen often enough to care about it. It already happened for them. From their point of view its occurrence is 100% of the time. Especially if through circumstances they lose their savings, or don't get a job, or get caught in the criminal justice system.

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02-27-2017 , 07:32 AM

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Wil - 24 hour timeout for another unacceptable sweeping claim about Islam. Please do not post in this thread or anything about Islam for 24 hours.

02-27-2017 , 09:27 AM

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Bragging about having a superior grasp on reality sounds like something trump would do.

02-27-2017 , 09:38 AM

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I wish. I know a member of mar a Lago and he said it's amazing how deep he rolls with his SS detail when golfing. He showed a video of him out out there hitting a ball and then he walks towards it with like 10 dudes following him. Funny. He says he's the nicest guy in the world.

Prana used to give me a lot of **** about Philly, talking about how I used to say it's a rough city, etc etc. Meanwhile prana slips and says how rough Philly really is in one of his comments. He's most likely from the area or has visited here quite often. He even posted about some underground Philly hip-hop music, which further indicates he has ties here.

It's comical that he's from here and talked all that yang about it. Just hilarious, that's why he's so sheepish about it and refuses to say anything. He's probably just a dude who went to college in the area, but it's still funny.

I was still making fun of you claiming it's super bad and I'm not from there

Willing to bet more than the letsgambool bet.
They do sell records across the whole country and even world wide you know right?

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