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02-26-2017 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
And you carelessly label others as being bigoted against Muslims as people. Of course we treat them as people who are absolutely fine as individuals. That doesn't mean we don't have issues to deal with in that group.
Supporting the bigot's act of discriminating against individuals in groups while giving lip service to treating people like individuals is something a bigot does. You treat groups like you are scared- like trump told us to be.



'If the cap fit, let them wear it'
02-26-2017 , 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamite22
Downright scary? The 5-10% range includes many western European countries
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Originally Posted by wil318466
And? Are you saying it's all fine and dandy in Western Europe?
lol Trump's friend "Jim" who said Paris is too scary to actually visit anymore is wil
02-26-2017 , 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by einbert
You have a handful of data points over several years here. This is anecdotal BS, and completely insignificant compared to the problem of right wing extremist violence in the U.S.

Face it: No matter how you do the numbers, they just don't add up. There is no big problem with Islamic terrorism in the United States. You're spending a whole lot of energy and time dedicating to something that has an infinitely tiny chance to ever effect your life.
I'm sure the relatives of the 50 people killed in Orlando don't think it is insignificant. Or the 14 killed in San Bernadino for that matter. Or the Boston marathon bombing, where it was only a matter of luck that more people weren't killed.

Hardly anecdotal BS, as you so dismissively describe it.
02-26-2017 , 06:06 PM
I'm sure you'd apply the same logic to people killed from gun violence that is much more prevalent sushy?
02-26-2017 , 06:46 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
lol Trump's friend "Jim" who said Paris is too scary to actually visit anymore is wil
I wish. I know a member of mar a Lago and he said it's amazing how deep he rolls with his SS detail when golfing. He showed a video of him out out there hitting a ball and then he walks towards it with like 10 dudes following him. Funny. He says he's the nicest guy in the world.

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Originally Posted by The REAL Trolly
So confused over the Philly bit.
Prana used to give me a lot of **** about Philly, talking about how I used to say it's a rough city, etc etc. Meanwhile prana slips and says how rough Philly really is in one of his comments. He's most likely from the area or has visited here quite often. He even posted about some underground Philly hip-hop music, which further indicates he has ties here.

It's comical that he's from here and talked all that yang about it. Just hilarious, that's why he's so sheepish about it and refuses to say anything. He's probably just a dude who went to college in the area, but it's still funny.
02-26-2017 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
No, einbert. The violence is not the same and you know it. If I got into an argument with some guys and went home and got my gun and went back and shot two of them, that is essentially an ISOLATED incident. If I were to bomb a bus full of people I've never met before, that's a terrorist attack. The difference is astronomical. You can't compare the two at all. One is anger and violence against individuals, the other is an actual attack against a people.
So Dylann Roof perpetrated a terrorist attack, right?
02-26-2017 , 07:37 PM
Anyway, I hope I'm not being too off-topic on the last couple pages by posting about the president of the United States, let's check out some recent news!

On customs:

Australian author of children's books who's visited US over 100 times is detained for over two hours at LAX, doubts she'll ever return to US again

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She said the border agents appeared to have been given "turbocharged power" by an executive order signed by President Donald Trump to "humiliate and insult" a room full of people they detained to check visas.
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The author said she was unlikely to visit the United States again despite the friendliness of ordinary Americans.
Trump doing wonders for America's tourism industry, as has already been documented here. I'm sure this (and Muhammad Ali Jr. before her) is just an isolated incident though, right?

French historian traveling to U.S. for conference is detained for 10 hours, nearly deported until his destination university intervenes

Not sure if staggering incompetency or if Trump's newly-empowered CBP is trying to make foreigners never want to come to the United States again!
02-26-2017 , 07:49 PM
Also on the subject of "killing the United States as a destination for intelligent people around the world": Victim of racist shooting in Kansas loved the USA and didn't want to leave, despite concerns about their safety among growing racism

Following that event, residents of the world's second most populous country are rethinking their plans to study in the US and become productive members of American society, like the victim was:

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Anupam Singh, a master’s student, once dreamed of coming to the United States for his PhD studies. But Wednesday’s seemingly racially charged shooting of two Indian men in Kansas reaffirmed his growing belief that the United States isn’t a hospitable place for foreign students.

“I would be scared to study in the U.S.,” he said Saturday outside a tea stall on the campus of the Indian Institute of Technology in New Delhi. “Did you read the newspapers yesterday? Two Indians were shot.”
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The father of Alok Madasani, the Indian injured in the attack, appealed Friday from the Indian city of Hyderabad to “all the parents in India” not to send their children to the United States under “present circumstances.”
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Graduate students said they were changing their postgraduate plans from the United States to universities in Canada or Australia. Others were fielding telephone calls from anxious parents.
Seems like the United States' status as an international leader in technology is going to suffer if the best and brightest from around the world no longer want to come here because ignorant white racists are scared of them.
02-26-2017 , 08:05 PM
Father of SEAL killed in Yemen - a veteran himself - refused to meet Trump, wants an investigation into his son's death

Quoting the father:

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“Why at this time did there have to be this stupid mission when it wasn’t even barely a week into his administration? Why? For two years prior, there were no boots on the ground in Yemen — everything was missiles and drones — because there was not a target worth one American life. Now, all of a sudden we had to make this grand display?’’
Hey Trumpkins, since y'all put Benghazi Mom on the stage at the RNC, I'm sure you all agree this guy totally deserves the same investigations and scrutiny from Congress that she got, right?
02-26-2017 , 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by prana
That's as wrong as every other take of yours. It doesn't matter though unless you are going to start comparing hoods again lol.

02-26-2017 , 08:17 PM
Just to let people know, I am in the process of cleaning up posts in this thread from the past few days. As this is a Content thread, personal-attacky posts are not allowed and will be deleted.

I have posted some related thoughts in the forum's stickied Main Moderation thread. If anybody has what might be called "high-level" substantive comments, feel free to post in that thread.

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02-26-2017 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
Supporting the bigot's act of discriminating against individuals in groups while giving lip service to treating people like individuals is something a bigot does. You treat groups like you are scared- like trump told us to be.



'If the cap fit, let them wear it'
It sounds like something you hear a lot in Alabama. "She/he's one of the good ones" (referring to a black person.) The idea is that you say you judge people individually, which then gives you cover to blanket judge millions of people in negative and horrifying ways until specifically proven wrong.

The racism of 2017 is a little more advanced and a little more sophisticated than the racism of 1964. It had to be, after all all those meany liberal artists like Normal friggin' Rockwell depicted the segregationist movement as evil and against progress, and rightly so. So the anti-civil rights movement has completely re-branded itself.
02-26-2017 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by 2OutsNoProb
So Dylann Roof perpetrated a terrorist attack, right?
That's interesting, actually, I've never thought about it. I guess that's considered a hate crime? Definitely not "normal" violence. I can understand normal violence, like getting a gun and shooting someone, or even shooting multiple people in an altercation, but what Dylan roof did is unimaginable to me. It makes me sad to even think about it.

Anyway, what are you getting at, here? That killing multiple people isn't a terrorist attack?

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Originally Posted by goofyballer
In which of these posts did prana do that, or is this a separate discussion from a long time ago?
The post was deleted. What made it funny was he made the comment in the reason: area after he edited a post. I forget his exact words but he mentioned thugs and Philly. When I saw it I burst out laughing, remember how he used to bash me for saying Philly was a rough city. Meanwhile, years later he says the same thing.

Again, it just goes to show how incredibly dishonest many people in this forum are, due to groupthink and peer pressure. You could literally pinpoint an area and is the most dangerous area in the entire country and they will downplay it due to peer pressure over racism.

Virtue signalling is real. It warps reality and is the reason why people are getting so many things wrong politically anymore. It's fine, you can refuse to believe it, I'm OK with that. I'm just surprised that after so much evidence against people are still this dismissive about it. Again, let's see what France does. It'll be highly interesting.
02-26-2017 , 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
You don't know which prejudices are similar and why? Or what discrimination looks like?

What ideology are you making accusations about?

Do you have anything to say about clear prejudice and discrimination toward Muslims besides blaming people for pointing it out?
I see no clear prejudice and discrimination against Muslims on a small or wide scale. What I do see is cases of many Muslims and minorities creating fabrications about Trump supporters attacking them. Look at me! Look at me! Three white men snatched my hijab and attacked me!

It's literally so rare that these people have to fake it.
02-26-2017 , 08:48 PM
That's not why people bring up abortion bombings/attacks.

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Originally Posted by wil318466
At what number or % should we be concerned, einbert? I mean, people bring up abortion clinic murders or bombings from Christians many times when arguing against Islamic terrorism, using the "they do it, too!" argument. You know the numbers behind that, right? Like, 10 people in 40 years have been killed by those wackos, yet it's still a defense from your side.

So, what are acceptable figures?
02-26-2017 , 08:55 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I see no clear prejudice and discrimination against Muslims on a small or wide scale. What I do see is cases of many Muslims and minorities creating fabrications about Trump supporters attacking them. Look at me! Look at me! Three white men snatched my hijab and attacked me!

It's literally so rare that these people have to fake it.
That spreading of fear-mongering which is going around is a form of discrimination. Do you really have what it takes to decide this stuff?
02-26-2017 , 09:13 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I see no clear prejudice and discrimination against Muslims on a small or wide scale. What I do see is cases of many Muslims and minorities creating fabrications about Trump supporters attacking them. Look at me! Look at me! Three white men snatched my hijab and attacked me!

It's literally so rare that these people have to fake it.
This post provides no evidence towards there being no prejudice and discrimination towards Muslims; it simply provides evidence that you have a warped view of reality and should not be taken seriously in discussions on the subject.
02-26-2017 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
I see no clear prejudice and discrimination against Muslims on a small or wide scale. What I do see is cases of many Muslims and minorities creating fabrications about Trump supporters attacking them. Look at me! Look at me! Three white men snatched my hijab and attacked me!

It's literally so rare that these people have to fake it.
This is the most baghdad bob quote you'll ever see.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0780bac2938b4

http://testkitchen.huffingtonpost.com/islamophobia/

More than one a day documented by Huffpo alone last year. All sourced. But, that would take Wil doing 15 seconds of research before making another stupid, ignorant post.

In the last two weeks alone there was a mosque burned down and a dude arrested for plotting to blow one up.
02-26-2017 , 09:15 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
This is the most baghdad bob quote you'll ever see.
No, wil really doesn't see it, that quote is probably honest and accurate. He doesn't want to, so he doesn't.
02-26-2017 , 09:32 PM
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Originally Posted by aoFrantic
This is the most baghdad bob quote you'll ever see.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b0780bac2938b4

http://testkitchen.huffingtonpost.com/islamophobia/

More than one a day documented by Huffpo alone last year. All sourced. But, that would take Wil doing 15 seconds of research before making another stupid, ignorant post.

In the last two weeks alone there was a mosque burned down and a dude arrested for plotting to blow one up.
And this a few weeks ago:

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.2959168
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A pair of gunmen unleashed a hail of bullets inside a packed Quebec City mosque, killing at least six and wounding more during the evening prayer attack Sunday, authorities said.
02-26-2017 , 09:34 PM
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That's interesting, actually, I've never thought about it. I guess that's considered a hate crime? Definitely not "normal" violence. I can understand normal violence, like getting a gun and shooting someone, or even shooting multiple people in an altercation, but what Dylan roof did is unimaginable to me. It makes me sad to even think about it.

Anyway, what are you getting at, here? That killing multiple people isn't a terrorist attack?
One point that can be taken from this is, why is it even a question? If Dylan Roof had an Arab-sounding name and brown skin, we all know it would be considered an act of terrorism 100%. Think about why you even had to think about it, and then think about why you're still using the term "hate crime" and not terrorism.
02-26-2017 , 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by goofyballer
This post provides no evidence towards there being no prejudice and discrimination towards Muslims; it simply provides evidence that you have a warped view of reality and should not be taken seriously in discussions on the subject.
I'd argue the reverse, actually. I have a much, MUCH Bette sense of reality than many of you. That's why when it comes to guessing what will happen or in discussions that actually, you know, involve people I'm the one who usually winds up right.

Believe what you wish, though. The majority of this forum don't like when they are wrong and make excuses when they are wrong. It's human nature. If I were you, I'd dislike me too.
02-26-2017 , 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by spanktehbadwookie
That spreading of fear-mongering which is going around is a form of discrimination. Do you really have what it takes to decide this stuff?
You don't think it's a little troubling that people are literally faking incidents of hate? What does that actually prove? That people WANT the narrative that white people are evil, that white people hate minorities. That simply isn't the case, so much so they have to fake the incidents!

Only a fool would have believed that incident with the burned church and "vote Trump!" Spray painted on the side was true. Come on man. Open your eyes. White people aren't running around in hoods and attacking non-whites at night. I'm tired of this narrative and it annoys me that I have to defend them.
02-26-2017 , 10:04 PM
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That's interesting, actually, I've never thought about it. I guess that's considered a hate crime? Definitely not "normal" violence. I can understand normal violence, like getting a gun and shooting someone, or even shooting multiple people in an altercation, but what Dylan roof did is unimaginable to me. It makes me sad to even think about it.

Anyway, what are you getting at, here? That killing multiple people isn't a terrorist attack?
Wasn't getting at anything; simply wanted to know where this fell on your previous breakdown of what constitutes a terrorist attack versus an isolated incident. Mentioning this on an online forum to right-wingers usually leads to them running as fast as possible from the topic because their world is one where only crazed Muslims with bombs are terrorists.
02-26-2017 , 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by wil318466
You don't think it's a little troubling that people are literally faking incidents of hate? What does that actually prove? That people WANT the narrative that white people are evil, that white people hate minorities. That simply isn't the case, so much so they have to fake the incidents!

Only a fool would have believed that incident with the burned church and "vote Trump!" Spray painted on the side was true. Come on man. Open your eyes. White people aren't running around in hoods and attacking non-whites at night. I'm tired of this narrative and it annoys me that I have to defend them.
I am not troubled by frauds. They are as investigate-able as the real thing. Why do you keep telling me to open my eyes> I see fear mongering and bigotry at a highly accurate rate and with specifics.

You seem to have a stereotypical view of what's going on. If there were whites going around in the night doing terrifying and disturbing things towards other people, you might even miss it's happening because you are too busy telling the well-sighted to stop being blind.

      
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